Gil stolen through market board

[TurtlesAWD]

TurtlesAWD is gross as HECK for using disabled people as a crutch for their argument. They're not an argument.

Sure, there's no argument, the permissibility of software that can provide necessary gameplay utility for people with disabilities isn't and shouldn't be disallowed by the TOS. Not sure what your specific issue is here. Do you believe that people who can't interact with a mouse in the usual way should just like... believe harder? Clarify for me how you feel this is disingenuous, by all means.

It's actually pretty easy.

Taking from ToS:
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

1) Is a clicker program authorised third party software?
No. Unless you can point somewhere the team has authorised its use.
2) Is it an exploit?
Yes. You're exploiting the fact you can simulate user input and that the game is unable to differentiate between a real controller input or a real mouse & keyboard input from simulated ones. This exploit gives an unfair advantage of other players.

I'd say '3' alters gameplay because gameplay is about a user interacts with the game, but I feel that leaves you too much room to play semantics.

No this is accurate but what everyone parroting this refuses to grapple with is that taping a button down is an equivalent level of automation in terms of gameplay. Holding it down with my finger while using mouse settings to cause that to read as rapid clicking is, additionally, the same level of automation. Manually clicking the same spot with my actual finger with netflix open on another screen for 14 hours straight, thus circumventing the intended method of acquiring a house, is the same level of gameplay automation. There has yet to be a persuasive case in this thread as to why an autoclicker would fall under this ruling while any of these other methods don't.

[MilkieTea]

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Disabled people are not an argument.

[Penthea]

There has yet to be a persuasive case in this thread as to why an autoclicker would fall under this ruling while any of these other methods don't.

If your character continues to interact with the game through a third party method that does not require your active attention or participation for it to do its job then that is not playing the game. Regardless of whether you tape a button down or you use software, in the end its the same: having the game being played for you through a third party method that enables you to not actively participate in even in the smallest way.

But in the case of this game taping down a button isn't enough to achieve anything because multiple different inputs must be done due to the nature of how activities work. So that argument doesn't hold any merit as far as this game is concerned, because there is nothing you can actually get from merely holding a button down.

To focus on this "tape button down" argument is just waffling about semantics that hold no relevance to this thread or even this game.

[TurtlesAWD]

It does not matter if it is "justified" or not, auto clickers are against the TOS, so don't do it.

You've clicked into the wrong thread, friendo! That's not really the conversation we're having. The argument that we should simply be obedient to authority - or the mob's interpretation of authority with no further thought was raised and dismissed maybe 3 or 4 pages ago.

Disabled people are not an argument.

Yes, that's what I said, there's no argument, accessibility software is, or should be, permissible. Do you have anything further you'd like to add?

[Bsrking5]

How it is this thread still going? Shouldn't the cm shut this thread off.

[MilkieTea]

You've clicked into the wrong thread, friendo! That's not really the conversation we're having. The argument that we should simply be obedient to authority - or the mob's interpretation of authority with no further thought was raised and dismissed maybe 3 or 4 pages ago.



Yes, that's what I said, there's no argument, accessibility software is, or should be, permissible. Do you have anything further you'd like to add?

Okay, I've read literally EVERYTHING you've posted in this thread.

Autoclickers such as the one OP used are not accessibility software. How do I know? I use accessibility software for work.

You've shifted the goalposts so much that the argument has gone from: "haha, OP got caught using a bot software to purchase a house, we know so because it would've taken AT LEAST an hour for the person to set up their retainer where they did and OP simply is out of luck for using an autoclicker" to "aSFNRENTE, YOUUUU DON'T WANT ACCESSIBILITY SOFTWAAAAARE? WHATAAAAAAATAATAATAAAAAAT?"

bot autoclicker =/= accessibility software

disabled people do not exist for YOU TO MAKE THEM THE CRUTCH OF AN ARGUMENT.

get real.

anyways, botting the game is against TOS. don't use an autoclicker to buy a house.

[Kaurhz]

How it is this thread still going? Shouldn't the cm shut this thread off.

This thread should not have even been moved from Bug Reports into General in the first place. Should've gone either to 'Not a Bug Report', or 'Working as Intended'.

[TurtlesAWD]

If your character continues to interact with the game through a third party method that does not require your active attention or participation for it to do its job then that is not playing the game. Regardless of whether you tape a button down or you use software, in the end its the same: having the game being played for you through a third party method that enables you to not actively participate in even in the smallest way.

Alright I'm glad we're in agreement! I look forward to banning all the gamers who own both a mouse and a roll of scotch tape just in case. After all, why would they need tape and a mouse if they weren't planning to cheat -

But in the case of this game taping down a button isn't enough to achieve anything because multiple different inputs must be done due to the nature of how activities work. So that argument doesn't hold any merit as far as this game is concerned, because there is nothing you can actually get from merely holding a button down.

To focus on this "tape button down" argument is just waffling about semantics that hold no relevance to this thread or even this game.

Oh we're still not convinced huh. Okay.

So let's say I'm at a mining node, and I line up the node and the prompt window underneath my mouse cursor, set it to click, and pop away from my desk to go stare at the clouds or something. Is this something that simply isn't actually occurring since by your criteria activities require more than 1 input, so my character has entered a state of non-existence?

How about when I had thousands of items to desynth before the shortcut toggle? Pretty much just me lining 2 prompts up and spam clicking. Some with lockboxes or bozja fragment apprasial, I'm just mashing 0 to continue. Is this likewise true for buying a house? I dunno, you tell me. Would the person who tricked OP out of their gil had been able to predict which part of the screen they'd be clicking to buy those items if there wasn't some way to line the prompts up to make it happen with 1 input?

Autoclickers such as the one OP used are not accessibility software. How do I know? I use accessibility software for work.

Do you think that would be grounds for suspension as outlined in the third party software clause in the TOS? Do you think autoclickers have no accessibility utility.?

[MilkieTea]

Imagine engaging in such bad faith arguments as this. I could never.

[TurtlesAWD]

Imagine engaging in such bad faith arguments as this. I could never.

If you believe it's bad faith, I'm skeptical you read or understood my stated position on why I think it matters.

People should be advocating for a better housing system in the first place because the current model encourages players to either spam click for hours on end or find a hardware or software based method of doing it - which has ultimately the same impact on gameplay. The rule everyone points to as to what's wrong with using an auto-clicker (while ignoring the problem with people manually clicking for 14 hours straight) is the use of third party software, even though it doesn't interact with or modify the game client. If ruled to include that kind of software, and applied in a consistent way, that would be an overreach as it would additionally encompass accessibility software, thus excluding people from play based on the equipment they need to do so.

I'd even go further as to say that we should indeed be skeptical that the rule encompasses that type of software considering OP's account seems active, but that's not really the crux of my case, it's just bonus points.