This just occurred to me about Chemist

[SweetPete]

So Chemist has been very popular as the potential new healer job coming to FFXIV. That's cool and all but how in the heck would it use the healer role skills? We currently have Repose, Esuna, Swiftcast, Lucid Dreaming, Surecast and Rescue.

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't these all magical abilities. Chemist is a non magical healer job right? Now all healers need to flow well with each other right? So how would that happen if Chemist can't use the healer role skills? Will SE remove the role skills system all together? Not likely, or will they swap Chemist with Alchemist as they are magical scientist so they can use magic as well. I just need this to me make sense to me.

Based on this alone. I don't see how Chemist can work without It being magical in some sense which will conflict with what everyone wants it to be. Which is non magical.

[Kimmay]

I think that a lot of people wishing for Chemist do not think about the fact that any new healer will be a mage, otherwise it would need its own set of armor (which I don't see happening). Sharing armor with some other jobs wouldn't work, either, since it would be the only healer to have Direct hit and other DPS stats readily available, making more work for them to balance (which is the exact opposite of what they appear to be going for). I'm thinking that we'll end up with a Sage, Oracle, or Time Mage as the next healer.

[SweetPete]

I think that a lot of people wishing for Chemist do not think about the fact that any new healer will be a mage, otherwise it would need its own set of armor (which I don't see happening). Sharing armor with some other jobs wouldn't work, either, since it would be the only healer to have Direct hit and other DPS stats readily available, making more work for them to balance (which is the exact opposite of what they appear to be going for). I'm thinking that we'll end up with a Sage, Oracle, or Time Mage as the next healer.

I see your point. I’m all excited for chemist if it’s indeed coming in the new expansion but I just thought about this and was like well hold on. They don’t use mp obviously so how would this all work? I mean my guess was time mage as well for healer or geomancer but after thinking more about it geomancer could be the next caster. Time mage is another good guess since time magic was removed from Astrologian. Hopefully more people respond and maybe shed more light in this chemist issue.

[Mansion]

Or we could have a caster Chemist, using MP for its abilities...
FFXIV is not afraid to bend pre-existing jobs to fit its systems. Samurai were more tanky, Dark Knights would use HP for DPS, Ninja were using "throw" as an ability, Bards wouldn't necesseraly be archers...
They can wrap up some lore about a chemist using aether to mix stuff and this would work lore-wise and gameplay-wise.

I would not put too much meaning in jobs having an influence on gameplay systems, it's more the other way around.

[Vyrerus]

Easy, all of its potions would be aetherically conjured, else it would have to use consumables, and nobody would play it for that reason alone. Similar to how Machinist uses aether bullets and Bard uses in aether arrows. Thusly, the role actions are still something it can do, as it's still using MP to make potions from aether.

[Hanayumi]

For sure chemist will be caster, not sure why being a chemist would imply no magic. Could use aether for the mixture process, could use it to manifest ingredients, could use magic to deliver the potions onto friends and foes. I kind if picture a cast bar for chemist more like processing/mixture before tossing it at someone. So rather than lunging an alchemic pot around or ingredients, chemist will prolly be using magic to quicken the process.

[Risvertasashi]

I think that a lot of people wishing for Chemist do not think about the fact that any new healer will be a mage, otherwise it would need its own set of armor (which I don't see happening). Sharing armor with some other jobs wouldn't work, either, since it would be the only healer to have Direct hit and other DPS stats readily available, making more work for them to balance (which is the exact opposite of what they appear to be going for). I'm thinking that we'll end up with a Sage, Oracle, or Time Mage as the next healer.

No, it's not that we don't think about it.

Many of us realize SE probably won't deviate from the mage archetype, and thematically, it'll probably fit a similar image to the existing healers too*. (And, of course, even if chemist is added, "aether" will probably figure into the lore of how they accomplish their feats)

We hope SE will venture outside their comfort zone. They probably won't, but we can dream, no?

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*Assuming SE adds a healer at all. They might decide to spend the next expac balancing healers instead.

[SweetPete]

I understand everyones replies so far. I guess because some keeps saying "A non magical healer" meaning they don't use aether at all. I was just confused as to how SE could implement something like that with the healers we currently have since they are all magical types.

I know that SE can manipulate the lore anyway they want. I just thought the point of Chemist was to be non magical and if SE made them magical then that wouldn't be what people wanted right.

[Mortex]

No, it's not that we don't think about it.

Many of us realize SE probably won't deviate from the mage archetype, and thematically, it'll probably fit a similar image to the existing healers too*. (And, of course, even if chemist is added, "aether" will probably figure into the lore of how they accomplish their feats)

We hope SE will venture outside their comfort zone. They probably won't, but we can dream, no?

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*Assuming SE adds a healer at all. They might decide to spend the next expac balancing healers instead.

Ah yes the balancing healer theme. They did try that in shadowbringer and we saw how mutch they have a clue at how to balance healers.

[glamazon]

Why have mana at all? Bard machinist dancer don’t need mana for their damage why are the mages tied to to it?do mages do more damage?