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    I think the #1 thing that they could do would be allow for a preformed multi party group to enter the whole zone together via Party Finder, even if it's not actually added via Duty Finder for auto matching. Taking out the hunt and peck aspect of getting everyone into the same instance would already be a huge quality of life improvement, and if a large group has to spawn a new instance to accommodate them, then so be it, because that's what the premade groups are already doing, anyway.
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    It’s actually pretty easy to pull castrum out even though it’s part of Boja. You would queue people directly to the start of the Castrum section and ignore the rest of the zone. They did this with the training 4 player instances from 1 to 40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    It’s actually pretty easy to pull castrum out even though it’s part of Boja. You would queue people directly to the start of the Castrum section and ignore the rest of the zone. They did this with the training 4 player instances from 1 to 40.
    This is also what they do with Guildhests, now that I think about it.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Castrum is a real raid compared to BR normal, where people actually need to work together to split evenly for the first bosses, rescue the hostages, and which party will handle Lyon during Dawon. If anything the most fails tend to be people who don't seem to listen, can't get pass the first bosses, or dying to the Lyon DPS check. A queue doesn't solve those things.

    YoshiP's solution to add more rewards for Castrum vets is the best answer. There just isn't enough vets to go back to help, and too many new people who just think they can steamroll the content like anything else in Duty Finder. That's the real gist here, a queue doesn't solve it. Give us gold coins or better augmented drop rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    Castrum is a real raid compared to BR normal, where people actually need to work together to split evenly for the first bosses, rescue the hostages, and which party will handle Lyon during Dawon. If anything the most fails tend to be people who don't seem to listen, can't get pass the first bosses, or dying to the Lyon DPS check. A queue doesn't solve those things.

    YoshiP's solution to add more rewards for Castrum vets is the best answer. There just isn't enough vets to go back to help, and too many new people who just think they can steamroll the content like anything else in Duty Finder. That's the real gist here, a queue doesn't solve it. Give us gold coins or better augmented drop rates.
    A queue wouldn't solve the underlying issues, this is true. It would, however, let people try as many times as they want until they get a clear or give up. Waiting an hour in an instance only to have the group either fail or fail to form in the first place hurts a person's motivation a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    A queue wouldn't solve the underlying issues, this is true. It would, however, let people try as many times as they want until they get a clear or give up. Waiting an hour in an instance only to have the group either fail or fail to form in the first place hurts a person's motivation a bit.
    This!

    I’m going to try a few more days and then... I’ll just have to accept the reality that I am not going to get past it because I was too late to the game.

    How this got past quality assurance is just mind blowing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    A queue wouldn't solve the underlying issues, this is true. It would, however, let people try as many times as they want until they get a clear or give up. Waiting an hour in an instance only to have the group either fail or fail to form in the first place hurts a person's motivation a bit.
    A 24 player DF queue that triggers a CLL spawn with the remaining 24 players being able to join in from that specific southern front instance could work to fix the tendency for CLL to fail to get an effective group to form.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    How this got past quality assurance is just mind blowing...
    This is much more a case of emergent behaviors rather than anything the devs could have tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    This is much more a case of emergent behaviors rather than anything the devs could have tested.
    This is something that they should have seen coming from lightyears away. No incentive? No activity. It's MMO 101.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 02-10-2021 at 08:10 AM.
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    This is something that they should have seen coming from lightyears away. No incentive? No activity. It's MMO 101.
    Bozja problems (CLL's problem specifically) is less no incentive and more insufficient incentive and trouble balancing the incentive for various things. CLL started as the more rewarding part of Bozja to the point that people tended to camp or hop between instances rather than doing Skirmishes or CEs, Skimishes and CEs getting Bozja coins over corrected the incentives in favor of the Skirmishes/CEs.
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    Catman Meowster
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    I spent no joke over 8 to 10 hours yesterday to try and get Castrum done. Got 4 groups all to small, and missed out on any group with 35 or more players. This raid and the way we have to que for it is just bad. This is a wall that's stopping myself and others on finishing our relics.
    Hope they hotfix it soon XD
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