48 Person Savage, Why?

[ForteNightshade]

OP is part of the reasons we've been getting the same boring old content routine with extreme and savage 8-man content. There's a part of the playerbase that simply won't step out of their comfort zone.

This time they've been trying something new and hard on a large scale basis, basically what many people have requested for a long time. What does it matter if people don't clear it ? I understand the difficulty of finding 40+ decently good people but saying that they should not try anything other than 8-man content ? Come on...

If it dies off within a month because both finding and coordinating with 40+ proves too difficult, then it becomes wasted content. Trying new things is nice and all, however they need to have longevity lest you end up with very little to do for months on end. Diadem, for instance, was new and bombed so hard it contributed to one of the sharpest player declines this game saw since post ARR. Naturally, Delubrum is far and away better content. Point is, making something new doesn't necessarily mean it's good value long term.

[Packetdancer]

I actually think we should have more 4 person optional high difficulty content. Things where the two DPS, the Tank, and Healer must be on point.

I mean, there's definitely room for that too! I'd love to see that content as well!

But just like it can be argued that 48-person high-end content is "impractical" and shouldn't be done, someone could try to make the argument "4 person savage content is dumb; nothing you can do with only four people will be worth the challenge; I think all high-end content should stick to 8 or more people so it can be scaled up." (And people would make that argument, because people are people and have widely varied opinions and a tendency to argue loudly when said opinions clash.)

I can admit when I am wrong. Maybe large scale difficult content would be good, but we must walk before we run. 16 person (two party) savage raids would be a good start.

I think honestly it boils down to "It would be nice if high-end content had options other than single full-party fights." High-end content for light parties so there's something to tackle with a tank/healer/2-DPS makeup, high-end content for two full parties (or even Alliance Raid-style three-party setup)...

Or even 48 people.

Though I agree 48 could be a bit like leaping off a cliff in terms of party size, the fact that they're willing to try it at all excites me. Because if they're willing to change the formula up here, they might be willing to do so in other ways going into 6.x and onwards. Not in doing away with what already exists, of course -- there's probably always a place for the existing style of 8-person raids -- but in experimenting with giving us new stuff beyond that.

Maybe that stuff succeeds, maybe it falls flat, but we'll never know what stuff could really take off if they aren't willing to experiment in the first place.

[Packetdancer]

I wish they'd add ANY difficult small group or SOLO content. That's something I think everyone would try.

I agree that would be cool. But...

But nah, let's add some 96 man Savage raids next for the 1 FC on each server that has enough unemployed members to farm it.

I mean, I'm in a 48-person Delubrum Reginae static that's forming for my datacenter; people are drawn from all over, not any one FC or anything. And no one's planning to no-life it; it's going to be a 3-hours-once-a-week thing. Our first run will be this coming Sunday. (We will die. A lot.)

I don't expect we'll clear soon (if at all, honestly). But I expect we're going to have fun trying.

[Stepjam]

If it dies off within a month because both finding and coordinating with 40+ proves too difficult, then it becomes wasted content. Trying new things is nice and all, however they need to have longevity lest you end up with very little to do for months on end. Diadem, for instance, was new and bombed so hard it contributed to one of the sharpest player declines this game saw since post ARR. Naturally, Delubrum is far and away better content. Point is, making something new doesn't necessarily mean it's good value long term.

BA still gets weekly runs even now. I can see this having some legs too, esoecially since its needed to get augmented judge armor

[TaleraRistain]

There have been many games before that have had raids involving many players, and while yes, coordinating that many is undeniably a challenge, demonstrably some people find overcoming that challenge part of the fun.

LOL yeah we did 72 back in EQ. Talk about herding cats.

Though the boss with the highest kill count on us was Lag.

I think it's fine if they want to experiment. If participation is low, they can query why and adjust. Maybe 48 is too high and if they dialed it back in number that would work. But I think they won't get that data unless they throw it out there.