Zenos: The Big Bad (The Feedback Thread, Part 1)

[Vyrerus]

Air of mystery.

Let's talk about the air of mystery, because that's one thing people seem to be taking for granted. We all assume that we have Zenos pegged, down, and ready to be butchered. I don't think so. When he lost to us while he was controlling Shinryu, controlling a god, he smiled. Then he killed himself. He wanted to leave the stage. He even has lines about, "There upon the stage I stood, prepared to take my final bow, only to find out the finale was but an intermission..."

He's got the air of mystery. Why was someone who was satisfied so completely, willing to come back to life in another body, and then seek out their old body? Why not drift off to oblivion? In this cavalcade of science experiments and body augmentations, what did Emet-selch do, that makes Zenos see the Final Days of Amaurot? Why does love and the other pleasures of the flesh seem lowly and hold no interest for him? When did he transcend man and become inhuman?

And it's not that people aren't allowed to dislike people, but it's the commonly held opinion, view, and feeling. People willingly post their dislike of Zenos all of the time, mostly to accolades, as if people need to justify disliking him. It becomes a little Zenos hate party, and that's fine. I just think it's shortsighted.

Also, I'd hate to have had a whole expansion of Elidibus. He was literally a plot device, the way people describe Zenos, but without anything beyond just being a white robed Ascian for a long time. I actually didn't really care for 5.3. To me, that was a patch that was more about giving Catboi Sage Deluxe a means to show off and play center stage. As he ever was, Elidibus's role could have been filled by any Ascian, and it would have been just as compelling.

[Alleo]

Let's talk about the air of mystery, because that's one thing people seem to be taking for granted. We all assume that we have Zenos pegged, down, and ready to be butchered. I don't think so. When he lost to us while he was controlling Shinryu, controlling a god, he smiled. Then he killed himself. He wanted to leave the stage. He even has lines about, "There upon the stage I stood, prepared to take my final bow, only to find out the finale was but an intermission..."

He's got the air of mystery. Why was someone who was satisfied so completely, willing to come back to life in another body, and then seek out their old body? Why not drift off to oblivion? In this cavalcade of science experiments and body augmentations, what did Emet-selch do, that makes Zenos see the Final Days of Amaurot? Why does love and the other pleasures of the flesh seem lowly and hold no interest for him? When did he transcend man and become inhuman?

And it's not that people aren't allowed to dislike people, but it's the commonly held opinion, view, and feeling. People willingly post their dislike of Zenos all of the time, mostly to accolades, as if people need to justify disliking him. It becomes a little Zenos hate party, and that's fine. I just think it's shortsighted.

Well we know that he has a version of the echo so him coming back is imo not suprising or that mysterious. Zenos simply did not know about the part of being brought back and who knows maybe he would have just moved on but then we got Elidibus in Zenos body and maybe he did not like it. I honestly doubt that there is much deeper meaning to that.

About love and other pleasure: I mean there are probably enough people in our own world that are simply not interested in such things. Zenos just takes his pleasure from fights.

I get that there are some mysteries but for me none of them are truly interesting, at least not enough to have someone like him back.

About other peoples opinion: But just because its a common one still does not make it a hate boner. This is also a thread specifically asking what we think about him. And maybe people are posting why they dont like it because they know that they will just be seen as a hater by some? Isnt it great that they at least try to take their time to say why they hate a fictional character? I remember a certain muscular female from a recent game...and how people that just did not like her were called names because surely you cant just dislike/hate someone (thats not even real) without being a terrible human being yourself.