summoner please don't take anything for it please improve the summoner

[Savagelf]

i for one hope SE you take time to improve on summoner as job and tried make more like summoner away meant to be a pet job. i want more pet jobs SE please think of pet jobs

[MikkoAkure]

Beastmaster limited job incoming. Please look forward to it.

In all seriousness though, Yoshi-P has already stated how much he doesn’t like pet jobs and how difficult they are to balance. With how clunky summoner is, I wouldn’t mind at all if they did a complete MCH-style revamp on it to get rid of egis and instead have a series of rotations that end in you summoning big versions of the primals to do a large scale attack or a support move.

[Savagelf]

i wish Yoshi P was more a fan of pet jobs they fun. sure they hard to balance but with you have method for them it become easy one way to do it is to studied pet jobs. and how other mmo balance they pet jobs

[Savagelf]

I won't mind large summon yet keep the Carbruncle as the pet and have summon then more like ffx yet you still have Carbuncle fight at your side

[SavishSalacious]

i for one hope SE you take time to improve on summoner as job and tried make more like summoner away meant to be a pet job. i want more pet jobs SE please think of pet jobs

I really hope they do not mess with BLM. I also have a summoner alt, and they better not touch that.

[Aomine1992]

Unfortunately they need to axe the egi, summoner just has a multitude of issues that simply are probably a nightmare to fix while trying to keep the pet. Without turning this into a numbers thread, dancers can’t even dance with SMN cause the pet is unaffected. SMN is still very much clunky and awful to play sometimes. I think a dedicated pet job would be better like beast master but SMN being a pet job with intermittent summons lol gg probably the worst job for the devs to deal with.

It’s only my opinion though so don’t take it to heart

[Theodric]

Beastmaster limited job incoming. Please look forward to it.

In all seriousness though, Yoshi-P has already stated how much he doesn’t like pet jobs and how difficult they are to balance. With how clunky summoner is, I wouldn’t mind at all if they did a complete MCH-style revamp on it to get rid of egis and instead have a series of rotations that end in you summoning big versions of the primals to do a large scale attack or a support move.

He can dislike pet classes - but they're a key part of multiple other MMO's and one of the most popular choices for players to pick. They're also a staple in many single player RPG's - including Final Fantasy games, so...

Summoner is only clunky because it is designed to be clunky. That could be fixed without taking away the class fantasy of having a pet/minion to do one's bidding.

[Vahlnir]

Unfortunately they need to axe the egi, summoner just has a multitude of issues that simply are probably a nightmare to fix while trying to keep the pet. Without turning this into a numbers thread, dancers can’t even dance with SMN cause the pet is unaffected. SMN is still very much clunky and awful to play sometimes. I think a dedicated pet job would be better like beast master but SMN being a pet job with intermittent summons lol gg probably the worst job for the devs to deal with.

It’s only my opinion though so don’t take it to heart

It seems like they are slowly starting to phase out the Egi system, but so far are trying to work within the restrictions of the system. The Bahamut and Phoenix transformations are the way to go for the job, in my opinion. If they intend to keep the egi system, then I feel that the egis themselves should be upgraded to something...better. Maybe actual mini versions of the primals they are a part of, and then have these demi transformations as they are now. They could also, in theory, keep the egi glamour system in place for those who liked the old versions. I recently leveled SMN and I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would...but only once I got Bahamut and Phoenix to use.

[Ultaniku]

When I do play dps on the occasion I typically with go with my summoner, and while I do love it I think it’s the most nonsensical clunky job around. I really wish the spells a summoner could employ would just be attacks that pull the egi out for a spell and then move on to the next egi in the rotation. This could then build up to the Demi summons for the big bursts. Would have more of a summoner fantasy to me.

I also love DoT jobs, just feels weird that summoner is our DoT user. I’ve always thought that though.

[Marxam]

i wish Yoshi P was more a fan of pet jobs they fun. sure they hard to balance but with you have method for them it become easy one way to do it is to studied pet jobs. and how other mmo balance they pet jobs

the FFXIV team has already given us a glimpse as to how they can incorporate pets effectively. I'm talking specifically about Living Shadow and Automaton Queen. These are two ogcd that have a preset move list, to an extent, and act as their jobs respective "pets". The carbuncles might benefit from such a design shift where egi assaults are ogcd's with decent cool downs and have the carbuncle react in a pre-determined way. It would free up complexity of the job to other skills and allow the summoner to do other things like maybe use shadow flare again?

However I think the writing is in the wall for SMN. Trances seem to be the direction that they are going, which I'm fine with since it feels like the single player FF's where you summon a primal to do some massive damage for a short period. I do hope they rework Dreadwyrm Trance to take advantage of this where your currently summoned egi (or glamour egi) will take the form of the Primal that it represents. ex. If you have Summon III, it will instead summon Ifrit and play out in a similar manner to the other trances. Maybe outburst is changed to Eruption and you can use Hellfire as its enkindle move. Also hoping for Alexander Trance or Judgment Trance, whatever they want to call it.