Thread: Request: by 6.0 please change the rules on PF against run sellers

Originally Posted by Rita1989

Selling runs for real money is against the ToS that's why they will never speak a word about in game. Also for stuff like ultimate's I heard they log into your character for you which is also against the ToS.

Not all runs are sold for RMT, and there is history of clearing with 7 members. There is almost an exact mirror of this post a few months back with relevant links.

What people do with the gil is unrelated and obviously banable if RMT is involved.

My point is, the isolated act of selling (or buying) a run is not against ToS.

I will save time linking to basically this same topic from a while back:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ears-and-items

With a relevant posts:

Originally Posted by kaynide

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ek4y1k7rA

Ultima ultimate cleared with 7 people. I never specified any specific fight, just that if it were possible, people could make money.

There is a difference in stance that “all ultimates can be done with 7”, and “fights which can be done with 7 will see clear sales”. My point is the latter.

And

Originally Posted by kaynide

Not only is it not bannable, but is actually considered a legit transaction between players from the devs/GM point of view.

(Eg. Post from 2017 with GM being quoted as saying such: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post4500631 )

#28 on that thread:

GM:"I see, according to the logs they seem to only be selling runs for Gil and that they have it listed cross-world by default."
GM: "Selling runs for Gil is not against the terms of service."
GM: "I feel that I have everything I need to begin my investigation. Before I take my leave is there anything else that I may be able to assist you with today?"
I ask if they can request the advertisers to uncheck the option that has the listings being shown across the data center.
GM: "No I can not"
GM: "Players are allowed to do this and it would be interruption of their game play if I were to make them stop."
Me: Even though it's across the data center? (paraphrased)
GM: "That's correct."
Me: How are they receiving gil across servers? (paraphrased)
The GM then ends the conversation.