Relatively large concern about new Healer: Sage

[Lumivyory]

Okay everyone is saying that the people who play Sage will be bad at the Job of Healing since they start at Level 70.

Nobody is saying that everyone who will be playing Sage will be bad.
The concern is about those people that never played a healer before and simply don't know how to. Healing can be overwhelming when you're not used to it.
And we've already seen a million clear examples of people not knowing what they're doing after boosting a job to 70.

Now that I think about it, it's scary that soon we'll have job boosts to level 80..

[Absurdity]

Now that I think about it, it's scary that soon we'll have job boosts to level 80..

Thankfully the people who level boost a job to then jump into DF with no idea how to do anything aren't all that common since the boost costs money, and why would you pay money just to get yelled at in a dungeon for being atrociously bad at your job?...Well, I guess some people might be into that.


The let's call it "barrier to entry" with a job that already starts at a high level without having to pay for it however is a lot lower.

considering past expansion trends Holminster switch wont be a problem like Dusk vigil and Sea siren

I do remember getting quite a few gunbreakers in holminster who wouldn't have used their mitigation if it were the only thing on their hotbars.

[Deceptus]

I do remember getting quite a few gunbreakers in holminster who wouldn't have used their mitigation if it were the only thing on their hotbars.

Agreed. Completely anecdotal but I remember early ShB dungeons dreading getting a GNB because they seemed to be insanely squishy compared to the other tanks.

[Cyrocco]

Funny how none of you that have level 70 or 80 Healers are looking forward to playing Sage. Demand a 4th Healer, get it and Now it's going to Suck. Last Exp Where is our 4th Healer we Demand there be a 4th Healer. This Exp: it's going to Suck

Sorry, right here. Gonna main it.

[ItMe]

I suppose the topic begs the question: if this is a problem... should something be done and if so what?

I don't think this problem merits any action.
What's gonna happen, people who have never played healer before will gear up and head straight into EXes, turning them into trap parties?
So what?
Not only do I not see new healers charging headlong into stiff content if only because healers have their own version of tanxiety.
I don't think there would be some kind of harrowing surge of shitty sages because of this.
There might be bad healers, but I don't think this will contribute to that to any long term or significant degree.

But either way, what would SQEX do? Ask healers to prove that they're capable of performing their job before allowing them into content?
IIRC they've expressed they don't take to this idea. Someone asked Yoshi-P in an interview if they'll ever consider locking access to raids behind clearing it's training dummy, and he said no.

[Huntrss]

White Mage and Astro are pure Healers
Scholar and Sage Are Barriers

Someone could play a Summoner and know how to play a Sage. If you look at it another way The 4th Healer is a pet Job and The caster tells the Shards what to do the 4 shards do all the work.

[Lyth]

Translation: Healing is widely perceived as a difficult role, so much so that veteran healers are begging for it to be less challenging. New players jumping into Sage at level 70 will surely struggle with whack-a-mole HP bars, especially when the only relevant damage is the occasional raidwide spam.

[Lumivyory]

Translation: Healing is widely perceived as a difficult role, so much so that veteran healers are begging for it to be less challenging. New players jumping into Sage at level 70 will surely struggle with whack-a-mole HP bars, especially when the only relevant damage is the occasional raidwide spam.

Where exactly are veteran healers asking for healing to be less challenging? Never seen a single person ask for it.
I pray for the opposite because obviously it's not challenging enough that people for some reason think that in every dungeon or raid we somehow take only the tiniest amounts of damage that can be healed by one or two oGCDs. And keep ignoring people that sit at low HP for ages. I would like healers to be forced to actually heal and top people off.

And again, when you see that boosted ASTs don't even know what their cards do, SCHs spamming Succor and WHMs using Cure III instead of Cure II to heal a single target there is a good reason to be concerned about new healers picking up Sage, especially at the beginning when there aren't any tips to be found online.

[Mortex]

Where exactly are veteran healers asking for healing to be less challenging? Never seen a single person ask for it.
I pray for the opposite because obviously it's not challenging enough that people for some reason think that in every dungeon or raid we somehow take only the tiniest amounts of damage that can be healed by one or two oGCDs. And keep ignoring people that sit at low HP for ages. I would like healers to be forced to actually heal and top people off.

And again, when you see that boosted ASTs don't even know what their cards do, SCHs spamming Succor and WHMs using Cure III instead of Cure II to heal a single target there is a good reason to be concerned about new healers picking up Sage, especially at the beginning when there aren't any tips to be found online.

To be fair you can find these “special” individuals on all rolls and in even high end content. Pretty sure I can get 1 Year of life back cause all these people have actually no clue what they do and want free carry’s. Like a blm dealing 5 k dmg in matoyas or healer actually not healing and only dps. And that’s not even the worst stuff I have seen.

[Lyth]

I thought obvious, dripping sarcasm would be obvious.