Relatively large concern about new Healer: Sage

[Deceptus]

Per Yoshi-P:

The new healer Sage will start at level 70 and only require one other job at level 70.

Why is this a concern?

That means someone who has never played a healer at all could be thrown in late level content with next to no experience in the role. Imagine being put into a group with said healer. How do you think that is going to go?

Healer is a role that requires you to at least have some idea on what to do or the party will fail.

We saw this many times in the past where people started at lvl 50, didn't read their tooltips and had zero idea how to play their job or their role.

This will do nothing but exacerbate that issue.

I REALLY hope they have some sort of training regimen that is required if you select the job. Some scenario where you have to escape a facility and heal people to do it, otherwise this could potentially be a disaster.

[currentlemon]

Oh God. I haven't thought about this until now. Holy crap, you are right! Players that are trying out Sage but have no experience playing any other healer job is going to be a nightmare! Worst of all, depending how bad they play, it'll discourage them from playing healers in general.

[Reksanden]

It's already been a similar issue with anyone who levels first as a Summoner and realizes Scholar exists. "Oh, I levelled another class with it. Lemme try that out!" with no prior experience as a healer.

We had the same problem with folks not used to tanking jumping onto GNB on ShB release. So there will definitely be an influx of people who have no idea what they're doing jumping at the class, but this has happened before and they either learn, or change away from it.

[Duskane]

oh man this topic again but Sage instead of Gnb ,time sure flies.
anyway i doubt this will be a problem Sage probably wont be very popular.

doesn't really give off any strong aesthetic that makes people want to jump on the Role like GNB even if it's weapons are very gundam like.

[Recon1o6]

This is why I have always thought that the new jobs should be restricted until you have one job of its type to max level if they aren't going to make hall of the novice mandatory

another concern of mine- sage is literally going to play as a mish mash of pieces ripped from the other healers. Devs already confirmed its taken WHM's 2.0/3.0 identity of a self buffer. Astro's had noct sect ripped from it, fun and lore be damned. Yet still nothing on making shields stack, so when DF matches two shield healers together they're gonna be struggling again.

I have a sneaking suspicion SE's refusal to step out of their comfort zone entirely with a tech based healer means healer glamour is going to remain robes or overly feminine as well if that was the AF gear

I genuinely hope I'm wrong. But of all they showcasing is the basic heal, shield, nuke and aoe, it makes me worried what they haven't shown

[MistakeNot]

Per Yoshi-P:

The new healer Sage will start at level 70 and only require one other job at level 70.

Why is this a concern?

That means someone who has never played a healer at all could be thrown in late level content with next to no experience in the role. Imagine being put into a group with said healer. How do you think that is going to go?

Healer is a role that requires you to at least have some idea on what to do or the party will fail.

Nothing new about that. Lots of people level up their second (or third etc.) class/job using nothing but solo quests/duties and then their first experience with playing the job in a group context will be at high level.

[Saefinn]

I think it's a similar concern with people who level skip too.

I expect with it being a band wagon job, we're gonna find until everything settles down we're going to get a lot of people who don't know how to heal so well.

But I think some kind of training regimen would be a useful thing to have in general. I think it would be useful to new or inexperienced players and make the entry level to certain jobs easier and less confusion. I feel gone is the time when levelling through content offers a good progressive difficulty teaches you what you need (at least, was how 1-50 felt in ARR). I've always been in favour of the idea of a "Training Log" as an accompaniment to the Hall of the Novice. Hall of the Novice teaches you a principle. The Training log gives you a dungeon or trial that's good practice and you complete it and move on and with a reward at the end as an incentive for completion.

[Duskane]

This is why I have always thought that the new jobs should be restricted until you have one job of its type to max level if they aren't going to make hall of the novice mandatory

some people don't want to level WHM just to unlock or play another healer
big reason why they got rid of needing to level 2 classes to unlock jobs

and people could just ignore this entire restriction with Summoner.

[Gemina]

AST: oh man this topic again but Sage instead of Gnb ,time sure flies.
WHM: anyway i doubt this will be a problem Sage probably wont be very popular.

SCH: doesn't really give off any strong aesthetic that makes people want to jump on the Role like GNB even if it's weapons are very gundam like.

I don't mean to make fun. I really don't, but this post made me think of the three healers as the trio of pretty girls in school, and then here comes the new girl who is every bit as pretty as they are, and this is what each of them have to say about her xD

I do agree though that this won't be much of a problem. I have died as a healer so many times and could only look on as the more competent members of the group beat the boss anyway without my heals. Granted, not all dungeons will allow this, but OP should acknowledge that a lot of players care about their performance. Getting a healer who can't at least do the bare minimum is pretty rare.

[Ashemmi]

Per Yoshi-P:


That means someone who has never played a healer at all could be thrown in late level content with next to no experience in the role. Imagine being put into a group with said healer. How do you think that is going to go?

Healer is a role that requires you to at least have some idea on what to do or the party will fail.

We saw this many times in the past where people started at lvl 50, didn't read their tooltips and had zero idea how to play their job or their role.

While your points are true, this is already happening. You can create a character today and purchase both story and level skips, then be playing tiered content inside a few days as 70-80 isn't all that hard. I've run plenty of level 80 content with people who have no concept of their class.

All added jobs have started at higher levels, folks figuring out the job through recent content isn't exactly new either.

I *wish* the jobs would start at level 1, certainly no higher than 20. Then not allow level skips for them. Players as a whole would be more likely to learn the class.