Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[MPK]

My guess:
- 98% of the population will never unlock Ultimate
- 65% of the population will never unlock Dulbrium Regae

- 99.5% of the population will never attempt Ultimate
- 98% of the population will never attempt Dulbrium Savage

I'm fine with this content basically not existing, for all practical purposes. Just angry when it is clearly costing us other, better content.

Those numbers are super off take a look at lalachievments or w/e

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Those numbers are super off take a look at lalachievments or w/e

Well, we all know hardcore raiders have tons of alts. How many of those are included in these clears? How many of those are sold clears for rl money?


Are we taking that into account?

[LittleImp]

Well, we all know hardcore raiders have tons of alts. How many of those are included in these clears? How many of those are sold clears for rl money?


Are we taking that into account?

I mean, better than the person they're responding to who literally said they made their numbers up on the spot?

I can tell you from my personal experience that the vast majority of people I encounter who do savage also at least attempt ultimate. Even super casual groups. Heck, I know a hyper casual group that is legitimately stuck on e9s that has unlocked and gone into some of the previous ultimates.

Conversely, I don't know of a single person in my orbit who has stepped foot in DR savage.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I mean, better than the person they're responding to who literally said they made their numbers up on the spot?

I can tell you from my personal experience that the vast majority of people I encounter who do savage also at least attempt ultimate. Even super casual groups. Heck, I know a hyper casual group that is legitimately stuck on e9s that has unlocked and gone into some of the previous ultimates.

Conversely, I don't know of a single person in my orbit who has stepped foot in DR savage.

By that logic, of all the savage and ultimate raiders in my orbit, not one has threatened to quit over the delay, so it must not be that big a deal.


And as savage DR is 48man, it would indeed be a lot harder to get a group set up for.


I don't fault SE for attempting it though. I remember people asking for larger savage content. They made this for those people.

[Themarvin]

As said before, Bozja because the Relic > Ultimates, it not even trolling or anything, but most content is for the masses, not a select few, from a business point of view they need to look the most for somethign for the masses, Savage and Ultimates is low priority in comparison, that is why we get Bozja, and it is a thing with the relic and so on that it must be done and available, as it it has been since ARR and also that it is a very little niche of players that do them ultimates and at current stand.

If 70% of the population cleared them Ultimates like hot cakes, it would be of a higher focus, naturally.

[MPK]

As said before, Bozja because the Relic > Ultimates, it not even trolling or anything, but most content is for the masses, not a select few, from a business point of view they need to look the most for somethign for the masses, Savage and Ultimates is low priority in comparison, that is why we get Bozja, and it is a thing with the relic and so on that it must be done and available, as it it has been since ARR and also that it is a very little niche of players that do them ultimates and at current stand.

If 70% of the population cleared them Ultimates like hot cakes, it would be of a higher focus, naturally.

heh go check out the relic completion rate for Hydatos

[Themarvin]

heh go check out the relic completion rate for Hydatos

It is in the same catagorie as Bozja, it is other optional stuff to do, but the thing is, it is not barred within several walls and something most can do and have fun with as well.

[Jonnycbad]

Census shows <5% of NA players clear final raid tiers. Of those 5%, how many attempt/clear Ultimate? We are talking about content that less than 1% of players do.

[LittleImp]

Census shows <5% of NA players clear final raid tiers. Of those 5%, how many attempt/clear Ultimate? We are talking about content that less than 1% of players do.

Good thing NA isn't this games primary region

[MPK]

Census shows <5% of NA players clear final raid tiers. Of those 5%, how many attempt/clear Ultimate? We are talking about content that less than 1% of players do.

Correction: Less than 5% of Crystal cleared the tier. There's a reason why that's a QUARANTINE Data Center and it's not because of covid either.

Well to be fair it's probably more than 5% of crystal. Less than 5% owned the last tiers mount though and winning the mount mount is much difficult to do than actually clearing it especially if you pug.