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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasicBlake View Post
    Ma’am or Sir.... they are YouTube videos guessing video game content. You don’t even have to watch them. Some people enjoy seeing other people’s guesses outside the toxicity of the forum atmosphere.

    I’m sorry Forespoken wounded you so much.
    You don’t see my point. I could care less what the expansion was called. But it’s pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that a big company that makes games trademarking a title is not confirmation that they’re calling their next ff title that name.

    Yet this guy wouldn’t let it go, made about ten videos and convinces half of you that this was definitely the title.

    The least he could do is show some humility and do better in the future, but nope he goes on like nothing happened and he didn’t make a major mistake at his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    I agree with that to a point. This guy doesn’t need to say every time that he’s just guessing.

    But someone like Mr Happy has genuine sway in the community. When he says ‘we’re most likely getting....’ without anything behind it but it just being something he thinks might happen, you get half the forums believing it.

    Like who was the idiot who told everyone the expansion was definetly called forespoken and wouldn’t stop calling it even when it was denied by the developers? Where is that person now and why do they still get to make money doing this for a living?
    I remember Happy saying we would most likely see male Viera unveiled at one of the Fanfests prior to ShB launch. While this is anything but a guarantee, it won't stop certain peeps from seeing it that way. These are the same types that thought ShB would bring a 4th healer, and DNC was going to be it based off of pure speculation. I don't fault Happy for that, but I think his choice of words were also very poor. He admitted he was wrong in a video afterwards. Expressing an acknowledgement of an influence over the playerbase would be quite pompous, even for Happy, so I don't have that expectation of him.

    Like all content creators, there are things about Happy that rub me the wrong way and ruffle my feathers. Perhaps it's their mugs. I have found that I enjoy gameplay and gaming videos much more when they keep their faces out of them. Even the ones that will talk about a certain topic, but do it while showing random gameplay from boss or dungeon encounters are far more watchable.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    You don’t see my point. I could care less what the expansion was called. But it’s pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that a big company that makes games trademarking a title is not confirmation that they’re calling their next ff title that name.

    Yet this guy wouldn’t let it go, made about ten videos and convinces half of you that this was definitely the title.

    The least he could do is show some humility and do better in the future, but nope he goes on like nothing happened and he didn’t make a major mistake at his job.
    Because he didn't. Part of his job is speculation and driving hype; he's there to make you excited. Keeping you excited keeps you playing. That means you're far more likely to watch his videos for news/speculation. Rinse and repeat. That's the cynical/business side of things.

    The other half? The guy's just really passionate about his job and loves the game, so he's gonna make speculations based off his own experience with said title. He's not always wrong and he's not always right--that's the nature of speculation. But getting a guess wrong isn't something for him to lose sleep over in the same vein of how me being completely wrong about us getting a caster instead of a melee DPS (though it was a 50/50 chance for either) isn't gonna keep me up at night. I just roll with what's now concrete information and keep on speculating. And that's what he and anybody else who's interested in what's coming is gonna do.

    Really, maybe you're just reading far too into his confidence. Guy's got an okay track record for predictions. I don't think he's wrong to feel like he's got a good peg on things.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerel View Post
    Because he didn't. Part of his job is speculation and driving hype; he's there to make you excited. Keeping you excited keeps you playing. That means you're far more likely to watch his videos for news/speculation. Rinse and repeat. That's the cynical/business side of things.

    The other half? The guy's just really passionate about his job and loves the game, so he's gonna make speculations based off his own experience with said title. He's not always wrong and he's not always right--that's the nature of speculation. But getting a guess wrong isn't something for him to lose sleep over in the same vein of how me being completely wrong about us getting a caster instead of a melee DPS (though it was a 50/50 chance for either) isn't gonna keep me up at night. I just roll with what's now concrete information and keep on speculating. And that's what he and anybody else who's interested in what's coming is gonna do.

    Really, maybe you're just reading far too into his confidence. Guy's got an okay track record for predictions. I don't think he's wrong to feel like he's got a good peg on things.
    That’s not happy I was talking about there. There was some youtuber who constantly referred to the game as forespoken. Some guy sitting in his room. He gave about ten reasons why that was definitely the name.

    So the least he could do is admit he was wrong. But nope, now I’m sure he’s telling us all what the new job is absolutely definetly going to be, until it’s not.
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    That’s not happy I was talking about there. There was some youtuber who constantly referred to the game as forespoken. Some guy sitting in his room. He gave about ten reasons why that was definitely the name.

    So the least he could do is admit he was wrong. But nope, now I’m sure he’s telling us all what the new job is absolutely definetly going to be, until it’s not.
    Even if he spoke with a sense of certainty, it's still a speculation video. He doesn't have to apologize for "being wrong" unless he was being fairly malicious or toxic about anybody who disagreed with him. This is the nature of speculation: everything is a possible fact until disproven.
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  6. #76
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    Also a lot of these content creators (of course not all, I don't want to give the impression that I'm painting them all with the same brush), they make their money with clicks and watches. What gets clicks? Click-baity titles like "NEW FFXIV 6.0 TITLE LEAKED???" and stuff like that where they just theorize. They're not going to admit they're wrong anymore than your local weatherman.
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    "We want bunny suits for guys!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Ishgard housing!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Viera!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Cloud's motorcycle!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Blue Mage!"-- OK! ✅
    "We want the ability to earn past Feast rewards!" - HAHA no that's sacred.

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    Well I'm sold, it sounds like you and your fc are way better at guessing things than these youtubers are so I look forward to the channel that you and they will most certainly be starting as you are the chosen ones we have all needed this entire time. Not only will you constantly be right, but when you are wrong I know you'll bow and beg for forgiveness and then immediately donate and shut off entirely your income from the guessing video-drop the link here when it's up and ready so I can subscribe, thanks.
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    Speculation is fun, I don't see any reason why it should stop. Sure it's often wrong but I think the people who enjoy it the most don't go into it *actually* expecting to guess right. It's nice to come together as a community to see if we can crack the devs' code, or maybe get some intel before it actually comes out. It's kinda funny to see SE has doubled down even more on being elusive than they were last expac, as we used the same info that got us the name of Shadowbringers and it ended up being wrong XD
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    FF youtubers are not all knowing, they're just people who like to talk about the game and theorise, none of them claim to know 100% what is going to happen. isn't this better, I prefer to be surprised than know what's coming ahead of time. It was a pleasant surprise to find out the predictions of the next expansion being called forspoken were wrong.
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    Ok so cheap plug time but I decided to make a video on this (I haven’t named anyone). I’ll not post a link here but if you are interested just search for my username on YouTube.

    Anyway in short my response is SO WHAT! Content creators aren’t perfect or psychics who can predict the future and if we were I don’t think we’d be using our powers to predict the title of an MMO expansion.

    Content creators do this because they like and/or love doing it. They have fun, they generate buzz, they use the information they have along with what has happened previously to make predictions, the same as what a lot of important jobs do when it comes to trends and fluctuations.

    Forspoken was an intelligent choice based in the trademark and timings. Saying that Yoshi-p even said it wasn’t means nothing as why would he confirm the name of the expansion somewhere other than the announcement showcase.

    As for Sage, apart from one throwaway piece of lore about Alphi and Alisaie’s father being a Sage there was nothing to suggest that. While even that piece of lore shows Sage as more of a philosophical type of person as opposed to fricking Gundam Doc Ock.

    No one was going to get it perfect but everything I watched had solid reasoning behind it. How about for the next one in May me and the OP do a joint predictions video and see how close we both are and then see if they still think it’s a waste of time (as an FYI I do this as a hobby and my prediction video took me close to 4 hours to record and edit)
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