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    I think they shouldn't because it looks confused on the part of the battle team. DA as it exists in the game right now is little more than a vestigial nipple that's migrated to behind an ear. Offensive and horrifying, but easy to ignore. I'd prefer they kept flood and edge and figured something else out than get even more twisted in their attempts to balance the old and new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
    I think they shouldn't because it looks confused on the part of the battle team. DA as it exists in the game right now is little more than a vestigial nipple that's migrated to behind an ear. Offensive and horrifying, but easy to ignore. I'd prefer they kept flood and edge and figured something else out than get even more twisted in their attempts to balance the old and new.
    so.. your concern is that instead of just bringing back the old HW Dark Arts, that functioned fairly well, or the SB Dark Arts, with the spam issues that could have been fixed, either of which could be with ease remastered and adapted to fit into current Dark Knight schitt-design; that the dev team will just give us another insulting, dumb, and lousy idea that is like a mockery of the old Dark Arts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai View Post
    so.. your concern is that instead of just bringing back the old HW Dark Arts, that functioned fairly well, or the SB Dark Arts, with the spam issues that could have been fixed, either of which could be with ease remastered and adapted to fit into current Dark Knight schitt-design; that the dev team will just give us another insulting, dumb, and lousy idea that is like a mockery of the old Dark Arts?
    I mean, I wouldn't call it insulting because I find it more disappointing, but this sort of tail-chasing is what has been screwing up MNK for this long, right? And regardless of whether or not you're happy about how MNK is now, and I somehow doubt very many truly are, you only wind up at a jank version of where you started.

    Even if you turn Flood and Slash back into DA and make it more like Stormblood DRK, they aren't going to give us Blood Weapon back, so it's just going to be 'Stormblood DRK but we have Bloodspiller spam instead of the old thing'. If you revert it to HW where it's used way less often, then it'll be 'Stormblood DRK, but you rarely use DA, and you have Bloodspiller spam instead of the old thing'. I have pie in the sky dreams of them just saying 'eh, maybe Stormblood was best' or 'eh, maybe HW was best' but that would never, ever happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
    I mean, I wouldn't call it insulting because I find it more disappointing, but this sort of tail-chasing is what has been screwing up MNK for this long, right?
    No, not really, no. Their problems are almost entirely different.

    Monk was an issue of "Well, we've already almost completely compensated for iconic weaknesses such that they're now just a playflow difference. Where do we go from here?" to which I guess someone answered, "Uhh... redundancies?" Those redundancies were then taken as sufficient excuse to gut the job to less depth than it had in 2.0, yes, but that intermediate step is important.

    DRK's is an issue instead similar to the 2.0 WAR/PLD distinction, whereby a tangential element (source of strength) was conflated with the true issues (one unnecessarily scaling better than the other and the other unnecessarily having far more combined throughput). They've once again followed the idea that the only approach to parity is homogeneity, and the job was thus gutted to WAR-Lite-with-TBN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
    I mean, I wouldn't call it insulting because I find it more disappointing, but this sort of tail-chasing is what has been screwing up MNK for this long, right? And regardless of whether or not you're happy about how MNK is now, and I somehow doubt very many truly are, you only wind up at a jank version of where you started.

    Even if you turn Flood and Slash back into DA and make it more like Stormblood DRK, they aren't going to give us Blood Weapon back, so it's just going to be 'Stormblood DRK but we have Bloodspiller spam instead of the old thing'. If you revert it to HW where it's used way less often, then it'll be 'Stormblood DRK, but you rarely use DA, and you have Bloodspiller spam instead of the old thing'. I have pie in the sky dreams of them just saying 'eh, maybe Stormblood was best' or 'eh, maybe HW was best' but that would never, ever happen.
    my apologies, "insulting" was more my own feelings. I feel like although the "Dark Arts" thing from The Blackest Night being broken, along with the edge and flood of darkness/shadow, current design.. does technically do fundamentally the same thing as old Dark Arts, it feels to me like a mockery of the old Dark Arts, because I liked how Old Dark Arts functioned a lot more.
    and I can agree that it is disappointing... to me.. heavily, severely, and irritatingly disappointing.
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