How could you do this to AST?

[Mavrias]

I still do not see no details exactly how is noct weak when I have put some where in like page 3/4 of prime examples how it is not and it even actually migitates better than sch shields. If so then both noct sect and sch shields are inferior to regens atm. Also while people love dirunal sect like* 70% I guess of players, you still some what hear people complain and say how it such a copy white mage its like overall nothing about ast seem to please people. Either its too much copy of a whm or a weaker sch which ofc this part I will always disagree on the migi thing all the time. ast as is the hybrid healer like how a rdm will be a mix of a white mage/blm their heals are decent but not that strong to a standard whm and their dps too is decent but not too powerful than the standard blm. Hybrid jobs always function like this and I will say both dirunal and noct is balanced I do not see the so claim dirunal stronger than noct thing. Noct can do something dirunal cant do, if something takes 0 damage that would otherwise apply some debuff effect after hit from main attack. For example those sprites who tetter healers in amarout, taking 0 damage will block that healing down ability, while ofc in dirunal you take damage get that debuff and now your in stress healing with the healing down debuff. same for many other things that adds debuff but taking 0 damage may block them from certain bosses.

shields ARE inferior to regens lol and SCH is actually worse than NoctAst in that regard. if an attack will not kill you without the shield, then spending a gcd on shield is pointless. at the very least NoctAst has the benefit of a oGCD shield ability but even then the regen would be more useful 9/10 times.

additionally most attacks that absolutely require shielding are so infrequent that neutral sect will cover them.

shielding is all well and good in early prog, and NoctAst is not inherently bad. Diurnal sect is simply more useful. Which is fine, when given two options and made to choose one or the other, one is going to be superior depending on the situation.

[KDSilver]

For example those sprites who tetter healers in amarout, taking 0 damage will block that healing down ability, while ofc in dirunal you take damage get that debuff and now your in stress healing with the healing down debuff

You can use so many ressources as AST that this healing debuff is like it doesn't even exist, DIU or NOCT, it doesn't matter, that's not really an argument.
NOCT is not weak. It's mathematically weaker than DIU if we take number alone.

Celestial Opposition for example :
Noct : 200 heal + 200 shield = 400 potency heal.
Diu : 200 heal + 100 hot for 15s = 700 potency heal.

You gain 300 extra potency heal from the regen.

Shield are strong for what they do, which is, mitigating incoming damage.
A regen will always be more interesting mathematically if damage you take will not kill you or stress you (I'm taking about big waves of damages).

That's just all really.

ast as is the hybrid healer like how a rdm will be a mix of a white mage/blm their heals are decent but not that strong to a standard whm

His hybrid playstyle doesn't make him have a "decent" healing. It's as strong as WHM, if not stronger sometimes.
The only thing in favor or WHM is Cure III spam. And this one really niche so...

[ssunny2008]

LMAO

The new expansion isn't even out yet and you're already complaining? Please stop. Just stop.
You don't even know what they are going to do with AST beside making the job a pure healer, yet here you are spouting nonsense

Well i´m pretty sure every healer will sit on 1 single target attack, 1 dot, 1 aoe, a handful of instaheals, 3-4 aoes heals, a shield which works slightly different from class to class. The pet from SCH will be still a gimmick. Cards will be dps cards. WHM will enjoy the selfbuffs and full heals. Don´t know what´s going to be with the sage, but pretty sure it´s like picking the SCH skills, readjust some numbers and animations, be happy. That one gimmick every healer becomes is negatable and far away from being unique.
It´s the same with tanks. You can play one, you can play all. Maybe you´ve 1 or 2 buttons more or less, but that´s it. Nothing will be unique or up to the player. AST will get diurnal as passiv probably, meanwhile neutral is going to be something like benediction or so. That´s all. I won´t expect much of a great gamedesign. SE showed often enough, in which direction one class after the other goes. In the end, all jobs with its subclasses will work the same, just with different animations.

[HyoMinPark]

Pretty sure “pure healer” is just synonymous with “regen healer”.

Let’s face it. The developers have had 3 expansions to make Nocturnal just as decent a choice as Diurnal. But even after repeated adjustments, they have failed. Ultimately, Noct Sect is only used for solo healing Savage/Ultimate content, and during early prog where shielding is needed to survive. When shields stop being needed, you switch to Diurnal. Even with a WHM, double regens is just better if shields are not needed.

I figured it was only a matter of time before Nocturnal Sect got axed. So this was not a surprise to me. Disappointed they couldn’t make it just as good as Diurnal, but thinking about it, it would probably threaten SCH too much. Hence why it was always weaker. I enjoyed the hybrid aspect, but again—I expected this sooner or later, and made my peace with it.

[Deceptus]

Pretty sure “pure healer” is just synonymous with “regen healer”.

Let’s face it. The developers have had 3 expansions to make Nocturnal just as decent a choice as Diurnal. But even after repeated adjustments, they have failed. Ultimately, Noct Sect is only used for solo healing Savage/Ultimate content, and during early prog where shielding is needed to survive. When shields stop being needed, you switch to Diurnal. Even with a WHM, double regens is just better if shields are not needed.

I figured it was only a matter of time before Nocturnal Sect got axed. So this was not a surprise to me. Disappointed they couldn’t make it just as good as Diurnal, but thinking about it, it would probably threaten SCH too much. Hence why it was always weaker. I enjoyed the hybrid aspect, but again—I expected this sooner or later, and made my peace with it.

This. Since it's inception, AST has been a nightmare to balance because of it's dual nature.

[Valmaxian]

While I'm not thrilled about the idea of losing Noct shields, what could be cool is if they simply change how stances function. Perhaps Diurnal could be our primary healing stance, while Nocturnal might provide higher damage potencies or extra DPS abilities, but with reduced healing potencies and/or fewer healing options? That would at least give us a choice in how we play the job without sacrificing the sects for lore purposes. Or maybe cards could function differently depending on which sect we are in?

[currentlemon]

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Given their trouble with AST balance in the past, the Regen and Barrier healer idea is something that SE had no choice but to go to. They're the ones who put themselves into this corner, and they have nothing but to themselves to blame for it. These next few months are going to be crucial as healer gameplay will be put into question. Will this separation of healers help SE design better gameplay for the four jobs in general or will it get worse? I can't image it'd get any worse for healers than it is now. But anything is possible, and we're not off to a pleasant start.

[currentlemon]

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I don't know what this Noct Sect is (not an AST player), but perhaps SE will use this opportunity to rework that skill and tie it to some of its old time magic spells. Again, not an AST player, so I have no say in the matter. But anything is possible.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't know what this Noct Sect is (not an AST player), but perhaps SE will use this opportunity to rework that skill and tie it to some of its old time magic spells. Again, not an AST player, so I have no say in the matter. But anything is possible.

Nocturnal Sect is a stance that turns some of your healing tools into shields. Kind of the “opposite” of Diurnal Sect, which makes them regens. I don’t know how they could rework Noct to bring back time aspects—it’s more likely that they will just remove it entirely. I’d wager that Neutral Sect will still remain and probably perform as it does now, where you get both shields and regens for a limited time every 2 minutes. I also hope that Celestial Intersection stays the same as it is in Diurnal Sect, where it is basically a baby Divine Benison. Just a little shield on a tank for autos or something extra for a buster. I like Diurnal CI a lot, so I hope we get to keep it as is.

[Zolvolt]

They tried this "MT/OT roles" to try and split the tank and it did not work so they reverted it. They're trying the same thing with healers now. Admittedly I don't know how this problem could be avoided with 4 healers besides having another healer that could do both but we absolutely know that this is going to be problematic.