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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    All Bozja content should be easy and the raids should be a roulette w/ big rewards.

    Like it or not, Bozja and relics ARE the casual endgame, and in this game casual content has an unlimited lifespan. Look at basically all of the roulettes; even if they stopped adding new dungeons those would never die. Bozja could be insanely popular and last forever if they did it right.

    But no, it'll be dead in a couple weeks AGAIN, and the casual players who didn't get everything they needed done on week1 will be locked out of their relic and their endgame.

    I do like the idea of extreme challenges being introduced into casual content, but it should be optional and, most importantly, it should be SOLO. I'd hit up every hardcore solo challenge this game offers, but in a raid where I'm only 1/24th of what determines whether the raid succeeds... No... F that... Just make it easy so I can get it done.
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    They shouldnt be easy. But the biggest problem with Bozja is the rewards. Doing the content outside of Bozja shouldnt be faster than doing it in Bozja. My major gripe with this relic is that they are practically begging you to not be in Bozja and get the relic by doing fates and alliance roulettes.

    Something needs to change because in 2 or 3 weeks Bozja will be dead content again. If you didnt do it the first 3 weeks then you will be out of luck.
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    Nah, there’s more than enough in xiv that’s nerfed. Adjust.

    This is exactly what people have been asking for at cap with content that's between normal mode faceroll and savage difficulty.
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    Last edited by van_arn; 02-04-2021 at 03:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    They shouldnt be easy. But the biggest problem with Bozja is the rewards. Doing the content outside of Bozja shouldnt be faster than doing it in Bozja. My major gripe with this relic is that they are practically begging you to not be in Bozja and get the relic by doing fates and alliance roulettes.

    Something needs to change because in 2 or 3 weeks Bozja will be dead content again. If you didnt do it the first 3 weeks then you will be out of luck.
    Exactly. Bozja should be the best way to get the relic, with slower, grindier but easier alternatives. But it's the other way around and is a baffling design decision to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    They shouldnt be easy. But the biggest problem with Bozja is the rewards. Doing the content outside of Bozja shouldnt be faster than doing it in Bozja. My major gripe with this relic is that they are practically begging you to not be in Bozja and get the relic by doing fates and alliance roulettes.

    Something needs to change because in 2 or 3 weeks Bozja will be dead content again. If you didnt do it the first 3 weeks then you will be out of luck.
    It really should have been 75-90% chance from Skirmishes for memories(if not 100%), Critical Engagements should give 2 memories based on which zone they are in, Castrum should give 4-5 of each older memory and 2 of the new per clear, and Delubrum Reginae should give 6-8 of the older memories and 2-3 of the newer.

    That would definitely give a LOT more incentive for people to run Castrum more, and do Delubrum more than just a few times/once a week for the weekly quest.
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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    They shouldnt be easy. But the biggest problem with Bozja is the rewards. Doing the content outside of Bozja shouldnt be faster than doing it in Bozja. My major gripe with this relic is that they are practically begging you to not be in Bozja and get the relic by doing fates and alliance roulettes.

    Something needs to change because in 2 or 3 weeks Bozja will be dead content again. If you didnt do it the first 3 weeks then you will be out of luck.
    It should be easy, though. It's the raids that die in a week, and the reasons are the difficulty, length and excessive punishments for failure. FATES and CE's haven't had any real participation issues because people actually enjoy them.

    It doesn't matter how good you are at this game, there's NOTHING you can do as 1 person in a group of 24 to make a run succeed. Challenging content is for statics, guilds and SOLO instances. It doesn't belong in Bozja and it is exactly what's killing Bozja.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 02-04-2021 at 03:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    It should be easy, though. It's the raids that die in a week, and the reason is the difficulty and excessive punishments for failure. FATES and CE's haven't had any real participation issues because people actually enjoy them.
    You've got that entirely mixed up.

    Castrum is reasonably easy and there's no real punishment to the casual player. FATE's and CE's have higher participation rates because they're simply more rewarding for the time invested. If you're in Bozja for exp for an alt class and/or some relic Memories on the side Castrum is a waste of time for you.

    I'd be running lots of Bozja raids if they were actually rewarding. Enix really overestimated how much people would care about the gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    It should be easy, though. It's the raids that die in a week, and the reason is the difficulty and excessive punishments for failure. FATES and CE's haven't had any real participation issues because people actually enjoy them.

    It doesn't matter how good you are at this game, there's NOTHING you can do as 1 person in a group of 24 to make a run succeed. Challenging content is for statics, guilds and SOLO instances. It doesn't belong in Bozja and it is exactly what's killing Bozja.
    In that case any new raid should be nerfed after day one, because people dont know mechanics yet. DR is on the same level as NieR raids. The only thing that seems unattractive is the mettle loss, which is... totally fine. You dont need mettle, your rank doesnt go lower. The only thing you'd need mettle is unlocking savage, which casuals wont do anyway.
    Along with the Gabriel mount, new hairstyle, chocobo barding, etc as a RNG reward in DR + the weekly quest (gold coin) for the Judges glam; I doubt it will die anytime soon.
    As Derio said, main concern should be the reward system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    In that case any new raid should be nerfed after day one, because people dont know mechanics yet. DR is on the same level as NieR raids. The only thing that seems unattractive is the mettle loss, which is... totally fine. You dont need mettle, your rank doesnt go lower. The only thing you'd need mettle is unlocking savage, which casuals wont do anyway.
    Along with the Gabriel mount, new hairstyle, chocobo barding, etc as a RNG reward in DR + the weekly quest (gold coin) for the Judges glam; I doubt it will die anytime soon.
    As Derio said, main concern should be the reward system.
    People will care about the mettle loss until we know for sure that there aren't going to be any new resistance ranks or mettle requirements before Bozja and the relic end.

    Getting rid of the punishments, improving the rewards and throwing both raids into a convenient roulette could save this. As it stands right now it's far less enticing and far more inconvenient than Alliance roulettes, which are the reason why most raids don't die almost immediately. DR will die just as fast as Castrum did; maybe faster because of the difficulty spike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    You've got that entirely mixed up.

    Castrum is reasonably easy and there's no real punishment to the casual player. FATE's and CE's have higher participation rates because they're simply more rewarding for the time invested. If you're in Bozja for exp for an alt class and/or some relic Memories on the side Castrum is a waste of time for you.

    I'd be running lots of Bozja raids if they were actually rewarding. Enix really overestimated how much people would care about the gear.
    Castrum has the same excessive mettle punishments, which hurt casual players far more than hardcore ones. Given the time investment and punishments for failure the rewards would have to be absolutely phenomenal for most people to care.

    I think simply making it less inconvenient and punishing is a more realistic goal than significant rewards being introduced.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 02-04-2021 at 03:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    I'd be running lots of Bozja raids if they were actually rewarding. Enix really overestimated how much people would care about the gear.
    The only gear I'm interested in, is the Judge gear from the new stuff...but to get the augmented version, you need the augmented version of the older gear plus another item I'm not even sure where to get(iirc, only glanced at the costs of getting them while seeing how they dyed)
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