Relic ShB grind needs a hotfix!

[Duskane]

i mean Void ark takes same amount of time to clear as Sycrus i haven't tried Rabanstre
even less sometimes 13-15 minutes, 5 minute que tops for both
potd also doesnt take too long either maybe farming exclusively fates nets you 1000 hours if unlucky since i am 7 crystals with 4 hours ish of fate time.

it aint hard its tedious and not a hand out like first few steps which is nice but rates should be better in Bozja and second step should have been doable in Bozja.

[Lauront]

it aint hard its tedious and not a hand out like first few steps which is nice but rates should be better in Bozja and second step should have been doable in Bozja.

Agreed, that'd go some way in redressing the issues with it.

[Vickii]

Why should it be 50 percent and not 1 percent? Because you’ve been doing nerfed older relics? Which were also 1 percent to begin with too.

What don’t you people understand, this isn’t a free weapon that every single player will have. It’s accessible to anyone sure, but that doesn’t mean you’ll have the time/patience for it or that every single player will get it.

The relic has always been this way.

[Vahlnir]

Why should it be 50 percent and not 1 percent? Because you’ve been doing nerfed older relics? Which were also 1 percent to begin with too.

What don’t you people understand, this isn’t a free weapon that every single player will have. It’s accessible to anyone sure, but that doesn’t mean you’ll have the time/patience for it or that every single player will get it.

The relic has always been this way.

For the 2nd step of this relic I don't think the drop rate for the memories from Fates is 1%. If I were to guess...20 to 30%. I've done a little bit of Fate grinding between queues off and on since yesterday and I have managed to snag 3 of them from Fates alone. Even so, I think what people are upset about is not really having much other choice but to run old raids for the sake of efficiency, which I understand. With pre Stormblood relics there were multiple paths to completion almost every step of the way. It seemed like they had returned to that with Shadowbringers, at least a little bit, but they changed their tune apparently. Sure, the option exists to grind Bozja for the first step of this current grind, but is it really a choice? Not really, no. Is Fate grinding a viable way to get memories in the 2nd step? Maybe, but why spend time grinding them if the RNGesus is against you when you can spend 10-20 minutes and get one guaranteed from an old raid? I think it's more of an illusion of choice. Admittedly, an illusion of choice grinds my gears more than a complete lack of options. I like to just have things given to me straight, not this "well, you can do this BUT..." crap. I'll take a soul crushing grind over that any day of the week. Regardless, if I really pushed myself I could probably have this current relic done by next reset at my own pace, but it's clearly meant to be done casually. I'm not gonna drive myself completely nuts over it. A few runs of VA and Rabanastre a day is plenty.

[Listrella]

I LOVED the last build up!! I never complained about there not being a grind!

you may not have, but a lot of other people did.

[xbahax92]

For the 2nd step of this relic I don't think the drop rate for the memories from Fates is 1%. If I were to guess...20 to 30%. I've done a little bit of Fate grinding between queues off and on since yesterday and I have managed to snag 3 of them from Fates alone. Even so, I think what people are upset about is not really having much other choice but to run old raids for the sake of efficiency, which I understand. With pre Stormblood relics there were multiple paths to completion almost every step of the way. It seemed like they had returned to that with Shadowbringers, at least a little bit, but they changed their tune apparently. Sure, the option exists to grind Bozja for the first step of this current grind, but is it really a choice? Not really, no. Is Fate grinding a viable way to get memories in the 2nd step? Maybe, but why spend time grinding them if the RNGesus is against you when you can spend 10-20 minutes and get one guaranteed from an old raid? I think it's more of an illusion of choice. Admittedly, an illusion of choice grinds my gears more than a complete lack of options. I like to just have things given to me straight, not this "well, you can do this BUT..." crap. I'll take a soul crushing grind over that any day of the week. Regardless, if I really pushed myself I could probably have this current relic done by next reset at my own pace, but it's clearly meant to be done casually. I'm not gonna drive myself completely nuts over it. A few runs of VA and Rabanastre a day is plenty.

I dropped 1 every 10 fate, its the same as Atma farming. Plus its a one time only quest. I think the grind being either CT/Castrum and PotD/DR makes it more bearable.

[Nighthawky2010]

apologies to people who are enjoying bozja, but what I just quoted screams to me that there wasn't enough people in bozja to warrant the dev time spent on it so they had to backtrack and throw the relic in there. I'm not against having bozja style content, but maybe the dev team needs to have more realistic expectations of how many people are actually going into that for bozja itself and not progressing relic.

as it stands, my relics are stuck at i500. I've seen what it takes to grind the next steps outside of bozja, wouldn't mind doing them really, but I'm not going to add to the "successful" stat of bozja. All Square has to do is decouple the next quest from bozja story and I'd be all over getting my DNC relic

I totally agree. I got to level 8 in Bojza & got bored with it, never returned to it. I have 3 relics that are i510...i couldnt stomach upgrading all of my relics. For me, its discouraging that I now, I would have to go through Bozja just to get my next relic step. Most likely I will not do it especially since SE backtracked from their original plan of giving us an option to level our relic.

[Packetdancer]

...especially since SE backtracked from their original plan of giving us an option to level our relic.

They didn't backtrack, though. They said that it would require advancing the Bozja story to advance the relic story, but that progressing within a stage (i.e., farming the materials) would be possible outside of Bozja. Which is what we have.

The problem is that:

1. This was not communicated super clearly. Not leastwise because 'the Bozja story' was not immediately obviously 'the story in the Southern Front' as opposed to 'the storyline about memories and Bozja Citadel and the history of Bozja'; yes, it became clear close to CLL that 'the story in the Southern Front' was inextricably intertwined with the story about Bozjan history (and memories), but I know a lot of people who thought the Southern Front storyline was a side-story, to provide an alternate way for folks to grind the relic materials and have a storyline around it. And if you never went into the Southern Front and advanced to CLL, you never got to the point where it became clear the stories were inextricably intertwined.
2. Previous steps had not required engagement with the story in the Southern Front, which led people to believe it never would. (To be fair, you couldn't have had it require advancing the Southern Front story previously because CLL was the first 'story milepost', and this is the first new relic stage we've gotten after anyone could've cleared CLL. And continuing the Bozja story without CLL would not be feasible, given the events therein...)
3. Many people proclaimed loudly and widely across the internet that Bozja would never be required, and while Square was hardly obligated to go respond to all those threads and blog posts and whatnot, they had to be aware that people were under that mistaken impression; it would not have hurt to have issued a correction.
4. Due to the previous points, some people were so convinced that even those of us who thought it was required honestly started to second guess. I'd been convinced originally that the Southern Front storyline was the main 'Bozjan' storyline and had said I thought it would be required for future relic steps), and got yelled down enough times that I stepped back and started being more equivocating. ("I guess since how they define 'the Bozja story' is vague, they haven't explicitly announced that the Southern Front storyline will be required for the next relic stage. But I'll point out they haven't explicitly announced it won't be, either. Still, you can get to this current stage without needing to do any of Bozja.") And I'm far from the only one I know who did that -- or others just stopped chiming in on those conversations because they didn't want to get into arguments. Which meant that as we got closer to a new relic step, there were fewer and fewer people pointing out that, hey, no, the Southern Front might be required to advance the Bozjan weapons, and more and more voices going "Oh boy, new relic! And we don't have to do that weird Eureka 2.0 stuff!"

All of which combine to mean a lot of people genuinely believed they wouldn't need to do the Southern Front to advance the relic, and some even were under the impression it was outright promised by Square-Enix. And as a result, they feel at best disappointed and misled, and at worst outright betrayed and lied to.

[TroySoFab]

Yeah, I finished the final step in 2 days, and didn't even have to no life it. Not grindy enough, SE what were you thinking?