Thread: Bozja is extremely disappointing (especially the 5.45 update)

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

For me, I wouldn't care as much about doing the zone if they didn't sum it all up as FATE grinding and a group instance, which ties completion to the whims of other people. If you could get mettle from regular mobs and there were something like daily missions that could also give you mettle, and mettle from completing the challenge log like Eureka gave experience, that gives an alternate way to rank up there besides FATE grinding. I am so sick of FATEs. They tie them to everything. It's their lazy way of providing "content" by not really providing content.

Then you top at least the first segment off with a group instance that only succeeds if people are interested and in the zone. Once the content dies, you screw over anyone who wasn't there at the beginning. This not only hurts current players who may or may not be able to do that, it hurts new players who get to this months or years later. New folks can go do atma or anima and even some relic to my knowledge (with Eureka changes) even now. That's not going to be the case with Bozja. This design makes the Eureka problem even worse.

They can change how castrum works by next expac when the relic grind isn't important anymore by adding npcs to castrum or making it a non requirement anymore.

Since you're tired of fates what would you want to do instead. Genuine curiosity because sometimes the players can come up with better ideas than the devs

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Yes you are. You have to complete the first arc of the story to get this next segment. The quest isn't divorced from the zone like ARR and HW relics. People didn't just want the option to get the items elsewhere. They wanted to never have to interact with the content at all. And that was very clearly communicated.

I mean the relic is tied to bozja. The series is called save the queen. The resistance is the whole reason for making them so it'd be weird to not help them on the battle field

Originally Posted by Rymi64

I mean the relic is tied to bozja. The series is called save the queen. The resistance is the whole reason for making them so it'd be weird to not help them on the battle field

They could have tied the new step to fate grinding and CE's in Bozja and then made the next step for the i530 relic require mats from Castrum and Delubrum instead of the current system where it's clear once and forget it ever existed.

At least then getting people to clear the alliance raids wouldn't be so far fetched compared to now where people who want nothing to do with any of the instances are forced to catch up or abandon their relics altogether

I think the worst part about Castrum is actually getting enough people together to do it and the rewards being very subpar. The entire raid itself is fun and its cool trying to coordinate with many groups. I think Delubrum Reginae is also very fun fights-wise, but once again marred by poor choices (no role queue, doesn't refill spots of dropouts, another mettle sink). I think I would describe Bozja on the whole as "a good idea ruined by many strange decisions", such as not being able to reliably upgrade the relic through the new system, Castrum being awkward to fill, the coin solution causing the same problem in the other direction, needing an ungodly amount of coins to augment the Castrum gear or praying that you luck out with the abysmally small drop chance, etc.

Also, I don't get the point of Bozjan Silver Coins either. All I can see that they can be used for is trading in 100 for 1 Bozjan Gold Coin to actually buy the new stuff. That seems like a waste of a resource to get from a raid that is already challenging enough.

Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

I think the worst part about Castrum is actually getting enough people together to do it and the rewards being very subpar. The entire raid itself is fun and its cool trying to coordinate with many groups. I think Delubrum Reginae is also very fun fights-wise, but once again marred by poor choices (no role queue, doesn't refill spots of dropouts, another mettle sink).

I agree! I've not done Delubrum Reginae yet but I've heard the actual fights are fun, and I enjoyed the Castrum raid a lot! Except for all the losing mettle... and losing more mettle... and yeah, very few rewards to make up for the 10k mettle I lost. When they changed it so you could get the coins from fates I just ground out those to get what I wanted for glams :P There is a lot going for Bozja imo but it has so many wonky things detracting from the overall experience.

I don't like Eureka or Bozja that much. Each have there own ideas and one does somethings better than the other, but both systems as a whole feel disappointing. I hope the relic line in 6.0 involves a deep dungeon or something.

Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

I hope the relic line in 6.0 involves a deep dungeon or something.

Oh now THAT I would love. I really like deep dungeons and they seem to be content that has a lot of staying power, cos there's so many reasons you can go into them even if you've run them before. And since you only need four people, it's not as hard to get a group together as it would be to like... fill an entire Eureka or Bozja instance.