Never getting a shadowbringer relic now

[leafmoonshade]

The highly coveted item IS what makes a zone stand on it's own two feet. If there's nothing of value to be gained, people will definitely move onto other things as soon as they've finished it and the content will be extra dead. I'm sure they'll come up with a way to make bozja still doable even after 6.0 comes out. People are still making Eureka weapons just fine. It's true that Eureka didn't have anything like castrum, but I'm sure they'll do something to make it doable when population drops off.

All they would have to do is make a que that didn't take a random 60 to 90 minutes to pop outside of the zone. Like they did with the next step. And possibly, eventually, get rid of the mettle loss on death if it comes to that. But to ask someone to wait that long just for a chance to fail, not everyone has that kind of time. Some of us have actual lives outside of an mmo.

[leafmoonshade]

It hasn't been for any of the other relics. Relics were (at least in my opinion) designed for the casual player to get a cool looking weapon that could carry you halfway (or sometimes more) the next expansion. Yes they were time consuming but in the end there was no set in stone timer like the Castrum timer currently is. Check I'd even settle for every 30 minutes or so because if you go in and miss it, that's 60 minutes. Then another 30 minutes or more to clear it. So you're looking at a 90 minute investment that was never required for any other relic thus far. Not to mention if you don't clear the time you go in. Then it becomes another 60 minutes to go again and try again.

[TaleraRistain]

The highly coveted item IS what makes a zone stand on it's own two feet. If there's nothing of value to be gained, people will definitely move onto other things as soon as they've finished it and the content will be extra dead. I'm sure they'll come up with a way to make bozja still doable even after 6.0 comes out. People are still making Eureka weapons just fine. It's true that Eureka didn't have anything like castrum, but I'm sure they'll do something to make it doable when population drops off.

No, they're falsely associating it to drive people to their bad content. If it's content that would die without forcing people into it, then it needs to die to show them that people don't want that content and let them see the areas where they need to improve. They're jobbing the numbers and then patting themselves on the back that the zone is so successful when there are so many people who do it through gritted teeth. That's not going to endear you to your playerbase.

[TaleraRistain]

It hasn't been for any of the other relics. Relics were (at least in my opinion) designed for the casual player to get a cool looking weapon that could carry you halfway (or sometimes more) the next expansion. Yes they were time consuming but in the end there was no set in stone timer like the Castrum timer currently is. Check I'd even settle for every 30 minutes or so because if you go in and miss it, that's 60 minutes. Then another 30 minutes or more to clear it. So you're looking at a 90 minute investment that was never required for any other relic thus far. Not to mention if you don't clear the time you go in. Then it becomes another 60 minutes to go again and try again.

That's exactly what they were intended for. That's why they're not anywhere near as good as something you can get in Savage. And why they will have some sort of grind in comparison. Sometimes it's regular quests you can do daily to slowly get materials, or items you need to put some time into to get crafted/craft. Even some light interactions with dungeons for the updates for some steps. That's why tying to them to a zone like this is completely antithetical to what they were intended to mean to casual players. They're not supposed to just be for glam for casual players. Casual players actually use them.

[RicaRuin]

So I find this bit from an interview that was done back in January. (Its google translate from Japanese, so beware incorrect translations.) https://dengekionline.com/articles/26085/

"After clearing, you will use materials to strengthen Gunhild's sword, but this time we have made it possible to obtain strengthening materials for contents other than the Save the Queen series.

　In the previous forbidden land, Eureka, there was feedback that "only Eureka has the means to strengthen weapons and armor, so it is frustrating." The equipment enhancement content up to "Kuren Hen" was completed if we proceeded steadily even solo, but the reason is that the forbidden land Eureka was premised on party play. We thought that it would be better to have a form that can be enhanced while playing the content, but it was stressful for those who do not do the forbidden land Eureka.

　Therefore, this time, not only the dedicated field but also other contents are available, and both can be strengthened. From here on, there is a strong element of interaction, so I hope people who like that kind of thing will enjoy it."

Now they have made it required out of nowhere and its annoying because I sank time into fate farming, because I tried Bozja and did not enjoy it. Now I have to do it because in the Patch Notes for 5.45 says Fit for a Queen is required, which requires the completion of Castrum Lacus Litore. I'm just aggravated that I sank time into something to avoid something I didn't like and now I'm forced to do something they said I wouldn't have to do.

They always said that you would have to do the Save the Queen questline to progress with the Relic, no matter how you gather the materials. Check the translation from the May Live Letter. People just chose to ignore that little fact and now claim different.

[Arohk]

And now they force us to do 15 Crystal tower raids to upgrade one relic, why though.. we already get that raid 90% of the time when doing the roulette.

I have already grinded bozja so much, there is nothing to do anymore and i dont feel like standing there and waiting for field bosses to pop up.

[Demoniun]

You had 3 months to reach level 10 and clear Bodzja. Before crying, remember this. 3 months for clearing the content.

[Xylira]

You had 3 months to reach level 10 and clear Bodzja. Before crying, remember this. 3 months for clearing the content.

Way to completely miss the point. Ranking up mettle is tedious but it's doable and not the real problem, the way Castrum Lacus Litore works is the problem. The way the encounter is designed makes it rare that it gets successfully cleared, or even ends up started when it comes up, because of the lack of people queuing. We arguably didn't have three months, we had two maybe three weeks after release to have a reasonable chance to get it done while everyone else was trying to do it, because the majority of people stopped wanting to do it at all. There's a bunch of people trying to do it now, but it's still apparently not enough to get enough people queuing for it, let alone enough to clear it.

I'm done my mettle grind, all there is left to do for me right now is sitting around inside Bozjan front waiting for Castrum to come up and very likely inevitably either not have enough people for it to start or for it to fail. There's always either still not enough people in the encounter or enough who know the encounter well enough to get it cleared, because most people who have done it don't want to go near it anymore. I wasted over two hours yesterday sitting around waiting in Bozjan front only to add two more failed Castrums to my count. How is this at all good design? At least let people queue for it from outside Bozjan front so they play the game between attempts.

[Infindox]

You had 3 months to reach level 10 and clear Bodzja. Before crying, remember this. 3 months for clearing the content.

The problem has nothing to do with getting to rank 10, it's that's some people have very little chance to do Castrum. It's become a roadblock for quite a few people. Not really fair to those who weren't able to do it week 1 or any future players who want to try it out.

[TurtlesAWD]

No, they're falsely associating it to drive people to their bad content. If it's content that would die without forcing people into it, then it needs to die to show them that people don't want that content and let them see the areas where they need to improve. They're jobbing the numbers and then patting themselves on the back that the zone is so successful when there are so many people who do it through gritted teeth. That's not going to endear you to your playerbase.

They're bozjan resistance weapons bruh they have a direct impact and association with the story of the zone and particularly the bosses in the new dungeon. This isn't a false association with the content, it's the only association that matters.

Also I don't really think people banging their heads against a wall and not using the resources the zone gives you is entirely on square enix's fault. If I give you food and you don't eat it and starve to death, that's only my responsibility if you didn't understand it was food and I didn't explain it, y'know? So basically what I'm saying is, pop an essence. Try to pick one that isn't platebringer.