Never getting a shadowbringer relic now

[Mavrias]

DR normal is significantly harder than your typical alliance raid. If you think it's easier, you're kidding yourself when people are spending 30+ minutes on that one fight alone. Not to mention the fact that two failed mechanics is instant death. You don't have this type of thing in normal content. Bozja as a whole has vulnerability stacks that don't degrade with time, something that is present in Extreme/Savage content rather than normal. Combine that with the lack of indicators and what you have is extreme without a hard time limit.


I suggest you take a look at what Bozja content has more similarities to because if you think that Bozja has more in common with your MSQ trial than an extreme trial, you might want to get your eyes checked.

note that I said "comparative to Mhach and Orbonne" not "easier."

do point me to which savage or extreme fight has non degrading vulnerability stacks. two failed mechanics in two minutes is not much different than collecting vuln stacks in a 24 man or normal mode and dying to damage from things you're not supposed to be hit by anyway. example: failing concurrent giga slashes in e10 normal will kill just about anyone. doesn't matter much, you can still be raised. heck Square even made an item that you can pop preemptively to raise yourself.

I don't even know what you're referring to with lack of indicators. every fight shows at least a flash of an AoE marker before an avoidable attack goes off so there's an at least idea of what you got hit by.

spending 30 minutes one fight (not sure which fight in particular you're referring to) is due to three potential things:
1) people not knowing mechanics which isn't all that strange during week 1 and will improve with time as more people learn the fights
2) players not knowing rotations and not keeping GCDs rolling.
3) lack of or inefficient use of lost actions, essences, and items.

[AC9Breaker]

Relic gear have always required effort to accomplish. Even the "easy" Anima weapons took quite a bit of effort with farming poetics and light to do. Zodiac weapons were definitely a lot harder though. In both ARR and Heavensward, the relic weapons were things you could simply grind for when you had the time.

The problem with the Eureka and Shadowbringers relics is that they're locked behind hardcore content, something that doesn't need another weapon when they already have extreme/savage gear. And no matter how much you argue, the design of Eureka, Bozja, CLL, and DR have more in common with hardcore content than softcore. It's just with fewer mechanics per phase and no hard time limit.

lmao hardcore? That's like thinking mayonnaise is spicy.

[leafmoonshade]

Imagine a game that requires effort to accomplish something.

Imagine insulting someone that sees you as nothing more than a collection of 1's and 0's. Must be so brave insulting someone behind a computer screen.

[SiriusSaltstice]

Imagine a game that requires effort to accomplish something.

Imagine defending the weird choices if relic progression this expansion.

[Arohk]

I just had the cosmic brain idea, Make it possible to simply Queue up for Castrum Litore, same as you do with Delubrum outside of bozja, and remove the Castrum from inside Bozja.
This would allow players to form a group for it if hey need or want to play this content.

[Jirah]

I know it’s a MMO and all but I’m so sick of content like this. With Eureka I complained about the 4 gated areas and annoying parties and strict time limits on the instances being as free flowing and casual as a open heart surgery in the 1800s. Relics in the past were more solo and more lax in nature with only a handful of times where teaming up was recommended but never required. Here for the 2nd time in a row not only is it required but you'll have to brave dead content and you need to do it the day of or it’ll be a massive chore doing it later in 6.0+

[Coletergeist]

DR normal is significantly harder than your typical alliance raid.

No it's not. I died less in that raid than Weeping City. In fact, I found it almost too easy.

[Catwho]

Bozja, like Eureka before it, was intended to be "midcore" content. That is, accessible to more casual players who don't enjoy stuff like Ultimate or Savage progression, but still gives them an alternate path and a fun little chunk of content.

Unfortunately, getting a Castrum clear is almost impossible without a pre-formed group, and even if you get into a pre-formed, once it's become obvious to the zone that there's a big enough group entering Castrum to have a shot, then you've got 59/48 people queuing up and there are going to be a lot of disappointed folks.

[Doozer]

I was also enjoying working on the relics as they were released, for once, but having to do Castrum has become a complete roadblock. Not only is there never enough people, even at primetime, but then when we go in it's just a bunch of know-it-alls yelling and blaming everyone else and making the rest of us just want to leave. And then we fail anyway. Guess I'm not getting one after all, at least not until it gets nerfed to hell or something and you can do Castrum with like 2 people.

[LogicMouse]

oooh boi... im starting this process now... This doesnt look good for me either