Never getting a shadowbringer relic now

[Payadopa]

I'm saying it's a little unreasonable to make it so you can only attempt it once per hour, regardless if it's cleared or not. Just make it queable outside if you want people to clear it. You know like they did the next part after it.
But interpret how you will. Not likely going to change your mind.

Hmm. It's not like I don't get where you're coming from. And I'm usually not a big fan of telling people to just leave when they don't like something. This forum is for feedback after all. I guess if the instance itself can take quite long it makes sense to shorten the pop-up time a bit.

[leafmoonshade]

Hmm. It's not like I don't get where you're coming from. And I'm usually not a big fan of telling people to just leave when they don't like something. This forum is for feedback after all. I guess if the instance itself can take quite long it makes sense to shorten the pop-up time a bit.

That would be acceptable in my opinion. Make it pop every 30 minutes. That would ensure more people have a chance to complete it. And if they fail gain more mettle to try again.

[Omegaher0]

I know. I am seriously debating not finishing my relic because the final part requires either floor 100 in PoD or the Delubrum Reginae raid. I just did it tonight, and although we finished, it was utter hell. And due to my slow learning issues, I lost 100k mettle dying in there. And I, in NO way, I wanna step back in there, it drove my anxiety far too high. I play this game for fun, not to drive myself mad with confusing mechs (it's why I don't do savage). I have finished all the relic quests thus far in the game (I even did TWO relics in Eureka), but this might be the first I don't finish.

And if any of my FC read this, I wanna apologize for all the salt I put out tonight. I was VERY frustrated with the raid and my lack of skill.

[leafmoonshade]

[QUOTE=Omegaher0;5496966]I know. I am seriously debating not finishing my relic because the final part requires either floor 100 in PoD or the Delubrum Reginae raid. I just did it tonight, and although we finished, it was utter hell. And due to my slow learning issues, I lost 100k mettle dying in there.
The mettle thing bugs me too. If you do the weekly quest it gives you a bunch of mettle but I'm not sure if it's repeatable more than once a week. As for potd, it is doable even solo with a sufficiently strong weapon and armor but it takes longer. Either way I wouldn't give up just yet. Takes practice to get good at anything and now that we're not on day 1 look up a guide or two depending on the route you want to take. Sounds like you got a good FC to help as well. So best of luck to ya.

[AC9Breaker]

Imagine a game that requires effort to accomplish something.

[leafmoonshade]

Imagine a game that requires effort to accomplish something.

Imagine insulting someone that sees you as nothing more than a collection of 1's and 0's. Must be so brave insulting someone behind a computer screen.

[Mavrias]

Dude, Castrum was dead 2 weeks after it was released.

They even made it so you get coins (previously CLL only) from Fates if you did the story. So no one ran CLL after that because fates gave better "coin per hour".

CLL: No XP gain, no mettle gain, orch rolls were vendor priced for month+, no "unique loot" that you couldnt buy from market board. So simply, no reason to run it.


If you want to run it now, you almost have to either get super lucky on prime-time playtime or join 3rd party app (discord in this case), find out likeminded people, organize or wait for run, get somehow into same instance with them and queue into CLL.

Nice.

people keep saying this, but my fiance and I started Bozja this Tuesday when we found out that you get the cerberus mount from DR savage, got to 10 Wednesday and started Castrum yesterday.

first run failed because someone discouraged others from joining because they insisted there wouldn't be enough people. second failed because top group for the first boss didn't know how to hit buttons. third run was the clear. it took us maybe two hours of trying to clear castrum, part of which was waiting for castrum to spawn.

once inside it was very fun. I do think it's an issue when people are not dpsing and not using lost actions/ essences though.

[SiriusSaltstice]

Imagine a game that requires effort to accomplish something.

Imagine defending the weird choices if relic progression this expansion.

[Blanchimont]

Imagine a game that requires effort to accomplish something.

Relic gear have always required effort to accomplish. Even the "easy" Anima weapons took quite a bit of effort with farming poetics and light to do. Zodiac weapons were definitely a lot harder though. In both ARR and Heavensward, the relic weapons were things you could simply grind for when you had the time.

The problem with the Eureka and Shadowbringers relics is that they're locked behind hardcore content, something that doesn't need another weapon when they already have extreme/savage gear. And no matter how much you argue, the design of Eureka, Bozja, CLL, and DR have more in common with hardcore content than softcore. It's just with fewer mechanics per phase and no hard time limit.

[Mavrias]

Relic gear have always required effort to accomplish. Even the "easy" Anima weapons took quite a bit of effort with farming poetics and light to do. Zodiac weapons were definitely a lot harder though. In both ARR and Heavensward, the relic weapons were things you could simply grind for when you had the time.

The problem with the Eureka and Shadowbringers relics is that they're locked behind hardcore content, something that doesn't need another weapon when they already have extreme/savage gear. And no matter how much you argue, the design of Eureka, Bozja, CLL, and DR have more in common with hardcore content than softcore. It's just with fewer mechanics per phase and no hard time limit.

what hard-core requirement? you don't need to do DR savage for the weapon. DR normal is no harder than your average 24 man. CLL isn't hard either, its got two very light dps checks so that if you're doing anything approaching a dps rotation you'll be fine. in the case of having more tanks and healers than dps, there are essences and lost actions that will help so long as you keep your GCD rolling.

I think they're more fun than the nier raids but I'd liken them more to Weeping City of Mhach or Orbonne Monastery on release than a savage raid.