Thread: SMN but like BRD (6.0 SMN Rework discussion)

Crazy random thought,

Imagine SMN having summons akin to BRD songs...

Each summon can have their own rotations akin to how Phoenix works now, but maybe with different play styles. That way we solve most of the issues with pets straight off the bat. But as for summons maybe one can be a burst Summon with fast casting spells. Focusing on how you used aetherflow within the other summons. The second, maybe a slower casting summon making summoner play like BLM. Lastly, maybe a DoT type of Summon with lower damage but gives you mobility and weaker insta cast spells compared to the first summon I mentioned.

SMN was my first Max out job when I first started playing ff14 around 2.2 or 2.3. I have a soft spot for the job. So I want it to be fun to play like it used to be. With 6.0 a lot of people are hoping they will rework SMN (and hopefully SCH too but I digress).

I'd love to hear some other SMN rework suggestions and thoughts. They have so many avenues to take and I hope whichever path they choose is fun.
What does everyone think they'll do? What do you want out of the SMN rework?

There are things I like about current summoner but there’s also a horrible mess of old ideas that are just stuck to the job. To me the core of summoner is fine, they just need to trim some of the fat.

Things I like:
Egi assault 1 and 2
Enkindle
Aetherpact
Summon Bahamut/Phoenix (kind of)

Things I don’t like:
Trance
Energy drain/siphon
Fester/painflare

I think if they focused on the things that make summoner a summoner and remove the things that put the focus on the caster it would feel better to play. I don’t mind giving the caster some filler moves just to give them something to do like casting ruin, but things like trance just go too far.

To me an ideal summoner would be carbuncle as a persistent summon like the current iteration (I hate egi but that’s just my opinion). Using their pet abilities like egi assault, enkindle and aetherpact to fill a summon gauge kind of like SCH’s fairy gauge. Once the gauge is full you can summon a demi-primal like Bahamut, Phoenix or Odin and can then use their attacks at the cost of the gauge, once the gauge is empty they’ll use their special attack and leave.

As someone that plays both BRD and SMN... I don't want SMN to have a song-like rotation. It really sucks when being level synced, and can get a bit weird with some boss jumps.

Originally Posted by Burningskull

I honestly can't wrap my head around how to play SMN so maybe I don't get a say, but I kinda feel like SMN and BLM roles should be swapped. Not that I think they should do this but in old FFs SMN was just a better AoE BLM. BLM's spells were reduced damage if you AoEed them while SMN's spells did full damage to all mobs but at a higher mp cost. So I feel like SMN should be the turret mage where their spells are just attacks that the primals do. All AoE with no fall off damage, and no pets. And BLM should be... well I don't know what BLM would do then lol.

I am sorry but I totally hate this image of SMN and hope we never see it.