How to stop Casual players leaving FF14

[Jirah]

That doesn't mean they're obliged to listen to those people over the ones who are enjoying the game in its current state.

The best devs take all critiques into account, only listening to those who will literally enjoy anything is a toxic move akin to pokemon and will stagnate the series or game or what have you. Its a echo chamber really

[Lauren]

when I might want to spam just one heal spell if it gets the job done and no one dies. I can of course understand the frustration because what is in it for the hard-core player waiting for me when as you said most will want to rush but that's because presently there is no reward for them not to rush...

Hi Davand,

I think there's maybe a misunderstanding here that you might not have thought about and I'd like to add this to the conversation to maybe help you understand.

First of all, play the game however you want. But pleast read the below and have a think about it.

When I play tank, I am expected to hold aggro. To do so, I require pressing a number of buttons consistantly to hold aggro from my party so they do not get attacked by the mobs. This means, I generally need to press a button every GCD (Global Cool Down) which is around 2.5 Seconds (I think).

So every 2.5 seconds, my party expects me to be pressing a button.

When I play DPS, I am expected to kill mobs in a reasonable time. I have many DMG skills as well as a large number of off global cool down skills.

At bare minimum, I am expected to press a button every 2.5 seconds.

So when I see healers, who choose to only heal, in content that does not require a Cure every 2.5 seconds, it frustrates me.

I can't remember a time in dungeons (from levels 15-80), where unless the tank is mass pulling or has bad gear AND doesn't use cool downs properly, I've needed to heal them every 2.5 seconds. Ever. 7+ Years of playing this game.

Why should I as a DPS/TANK put more effort into a dungeon than another player in terms of minimum effort to get a dungeon run?

Why you should you, as a healer, be allowed to do not even quarter of the amount of button pressing (work) in a dungeon compared to the other 3 people? In addition to this, you're now adding more work onto other players because you are not assisting with the basic requirement of the dungeon: killing mobs, killing bosses.

Sure, you could argue, "but I am keeping the tank alive and doing my job" and sure.

But technically, as a DPS, I could not use any skills and just auto-attack and mobs will take a very very very very very long time to die but "I'm doing my job". I've seen DPS get kicked for just auto-attacking mobs.

Imagine if the tank only did half their job and then decided they've held aggro for long enough and stop pressing buttons and then you and the DPS die?

This is my point. It's not about you being a "heal only healer" it's that FFXIV doesn't have the type of content that fully supports "heal only" content - which means anyone who partakes in this kind of thinking if doing it selfishly and to no-one elses benefit. Literally no one benefits from players who act like this.


Anyway, play how you want but as much as it is YOUR RIGHT to play a heal only healer, people have the same right to react to selfish behaviour.

[Lauren]

To add to my above this: This is not elitism, or toxicity. It's about being fair.

If you expect me to press x amount of buttons to do bare minimum of my job, I expect the same from you.

I don't expect perfection or finesse, you're allowed to mess up. This is not a skill check or some kind of "HARD CORE" player thinking.

But if casting more than 1 button is difficult for you, then I don't know how you're getting through any solo-instances the game throws at you? How have you managed to unlock this dungeon seeing as some of the first quests in game are using your damage spells to kill mobs for the MSQ?

Which can only lead me to believe you are doing the bare minimum because you are expecting the rest of the party to pick up the slack - which is not fair.

If you're allowed to only Cure in a dungeon, then I am allowed to only use 1 attack spell over and over in a dungeon. It's the same logic.

[Seoulstar]

I shall give my take on this..

Duvand, if you listen to anything. Just understand this..I understand you are not comfortable with DPSing as healer. I understand you want to take things slow and enjoy the dungeon. To avoid running into..unfavorable people..I will give you advise that I was given long ago. I, too was like this. I was very much not comfortable with DPSing as a healer. Only difference is that I did not use macros to heal..I will not dive further into that because that is your own business. But my advice is to just ease your way into it. Start with dots. When you feel more comfortable, move on from there.

As to wanting to go slow..there is not a lot that can be said to help with that. You can always explain at beginning that you want to take it slow and watch cutscene, etc. Some will listen (like me) and others will absolutely disregard what you say. Unfortunately that is DF. You do not know what type of people you will get.

With this all being said. This is not in regards to OP, but people in general. What truly bothers me about this debate is how it can bring out the absolute WORST in people. I have seem some awful things said in regards of people who want a healer to DPS. That needs to change if people want more healers to start doing it. Insulting and berating people will not convince them to do what you wish for them to do. You can label it as whatever you like. But when you're toxic while doing so..you need to understand you're doing more harm than good.

Anyway, hopefully this will help you like that one person helped me long ago.

[Ceridwenae]

Hi, OP! I know you've had a stack of replies by now, so may have had enough of this already, but I just wanted to add my thoughts. This is not directly for you alone, but in general for anyone who's shy of DPSing on their CNJ/WHM as they just want to heal.

This game would very much like you to DPS as a healer. It very much wants you to use your kit. Just the conjurer story line alone tells you this.

A perspective shift: think of the DPS spells as preventative measures. Yes, you have Cure I-III on WHM, but remember the old adage: "prevention is better than cure". It's more than just a recruitment slogan for Scholars! Your Cure only acts after the damage is done. With the WHM's offensive spells, you're simply switching to a more proactive mindset than a reactive one. Consider Dia to be like taking vitamins to boost the immune system. Won't stop anyone getting sick, but may give them a more robust chance at beating the sickness. Holy gives the rest of the team a little room to get their stuff done more effectively, it's herd immunity for short durations. Glare is preventative medicine for your party, or it's just laser therapy for mobs. Your choice. It's all healing! Get stuck in, and do your part as it's meant to be.

*caveats: learning content and being shy of DPSing in case you let the tank die is fine! Start small with your Aero/Dia and let your group know where it's at with you. Also, everyone lets the tank die at some point, including the tank. You have to practice your Resurrection spell somehow!

[Duvand]

Thank you for all the very honest and valid posts and just to clarify a few points raised:

Each person will perceive casual at different levels of expected ability but my honest view on casual is some one that keeps all party members alive and when confident adds to dps. I am not saying that they should be lazy or spoil the game for others by lack of consistent interaction however that said have you ever considered that it could be the case that a person just does not have the keyboard/joypad dexterity to keep up...hence why I use macros...so shouting at me to learn my Job won't improve things.

Going back to the main theme of my thread in that I understand this frustration as any parent trying to teach their child maths or how to drive will be familiar with. I'm also trying to stimulate a possible game dynamic by devs where the dextrous seasoned player gets rewarded for being patient and helpful to us not so good players who still want to play/enjoy the game.

In addition: I have now discovered squadron's and command missions so can do missions at my leisure :-) however even though my squad are very patient they don't say very much but lack...hmm...a human touch.

Can't have my cake and eat it I suppose :-) but in conclusion any toxic, agressive behaviour can always be changed by the right incentive or in this case game dynamic :-)

Thanks for all your input to this discussion....:-)

[JohncarterIx]

Just play the game i played in wow made max charters in 1 day i had 77 of them . This games not hard lott subtitles but some of the quest like destroyer of worlds . If you dont get the thing saved your screwed no way up unless you fly lol

[st0ut717]

i would considermyslef a casual. I do the MSQ. I am however a Master assistant delivery post-moogle. and completed hildebrand investigations.

I am a dragoon so i die alot more than i care for.

only experience a couple of ass-hats.

also on the PS4. chatting sucks

[st0ut717]

i think healers shouls be healer. but i am a dragoon asking for a friend