Eureka Hydatos Weapons in 2021 Are Too Difficult To Obtain

[KoyaMusa]

As the title mentioned, this post is solely about the state of obtaining weapons in Eureka Hydatos, not any other aspect of the instance.

I am someone who likes to go back to clear older achievements and relics, but Eureka Hydatos in its current state is not conducive to completing weapons. Actively entering Hydatos in my spare time consistently (and during lulls in content, its not like I expect people to be rushing to do it now), as well as putting in all of my time in the instance to spawn Notorious Monsters, I feel as if I am making no progress. Most of my time spent in Eureka is predominantly solo with only a small amount of people in the instance, and those people are predominantly focused on obtaining Bunny rewards.

Adding the Echo is simply not enough for Hydatos, NMs still take an exceptionally long time to spawn, and the crystal gain is very low. Furthermore, Hydatos weapons are physically impossible to complete solo, as Provenance Watcher scales are not obtainable via exchanging Hydatos Crystals.

I know Eureka adjustments are a low priority to the developers as it is old content, but I think all the zones excluding Hydatos are at least doable with a respectable amount of effort. I would suggest some at least from my perspective some simple changes. Significantly increase Crystal drop amounts, add exchange for Provenance Watcher scales for Crystals, and adjust the amount of monsters needed to kill for Notorious Monsters to spawn.

That or just let me exchange the items for poetics.

[Abyss_me]

Maybe it should be placed in duty finder for easy access. Maybe add some bonus for FATE completion.

[Thmas]

Daily Roulette, "Monster Killers" perhaps unlocked by some interesting new quest line. Earn title "reenforcements" and be on call when the big baddies need to be taken down. Open world / Hunts, etc. Eureka/Bozan NMs if needed there.

[Kaurhz]

Oh wow! Eureka got hit this bad? In honesty, it'll likely be more populated when there's a significant lul of content, but for the time being, people are focused predominantly on getting the relics from this expansion.

Though, I think they should either downscale the mobs more so that solo spawning stuff is more feasible, particularly with the higher level NMs. Or just change the spawn conditions so they alternate more frequently, or have a forced spawn timer. I can at least say just slapping echo on it alone and calling it a day is very sloppy.

[Hasrat]

Not really understanding your point about scales. It's time consuming, but not especially difficult, to spawn PW on your own. He's got no special spawn conditions, unlike every other end-zone boss.

[hobostew]

Spawning him when next to no one is in the instance is absurdly time consuming and that assumes the person is even able to solo the elevel 65 scorpions which can be a doozy. The claws should absolutely be on the vendor.

[Wissp]

Spawning him when next to no one is in the instance is absurdly time consuming and that assumes the person is even able to solo the elevel 65 scorpions which can be a doozy. The claws should absolutely be on the vendor.

As someone who has a full set of elemental armor and weapon, I have tried to solo the highest levels of all the Eureka instances. With Hydatos, the highest I could do solo as a healer was level 63. Level 64 and 65 hit wayyyyy too hard to heal through it, even with the elemental bonuses. Maybe a pally could do it with their healing abilities. No WAY a DPS could, the damage is too great.

Hell, in Pryos the level 55 bloodmoths were a bitch to kill as a healer solo.

[Undeadfire]

As someone who has a full set of elemental armor and weapon, I have tried to solo the highest levels of all the Eureka instances. With Hydatos, the highest I could do solo as a healer was level 63. Level 64 and 65 hit wayyyyy too hard to heal through it, even with the elemental bonuses. Maybe a pally could do it with their healing abilities. No WAY a DPS could, the damage is too great.

Hell, in Pryos the level 55 bloodmoths were a bitch to kill as a healer solo.

Tank side it's a walk in the park, pretty easy to kill with Physeos/+2 Elemental/Kirin.

[Packetdancer]

That said there is a reason why I will never have this or last expansions relic weapons I simply dont care to do either one of those contents and would rather grind dungeons that are infinitely more enjoyable.

Somewhat tangential to the topic, but the current relic weapon actually does not require ever even venturing into Bozja. You have to get to Gangos to pick up the starting form of the weapon and the quests to advance it and you have to get through a solo instanced fight before you can get the starting weapon, but neither of those is that bad (and the solo instance leading up to that fight is visually very neat). And after that, the first stage can be done entirely through FATEs (in Heavensward, no less), and the second stage can be done through leveling roulette and level 60 dungeons.

Which might be because it was difficult for people to get through Eureka to get their relics last time.

Tank side it's a walk in the park, pretty easy to kill with Physeos/+2 Elemental/Kirin.

I think the reference to completed Eurekan gear earlier was simply folks saying that those fights are difficult to solo as some jobs even with the completed gear, thus implying it's a great deal harder to do without.

And it's awesome those fights are easily done with the completed relics as a tank, but when the original complaint at the top of the thread is that surviving those fights solo in underpopulated instances in order to get the relics is difficult... I'm not sure how the tank is going to have a Physeos relic and +2 Elemental armor in the first place. (Yes, you could get the Kirin or Vermillion stuff off the marketboard to get a bit of a boost—and that's probably a good idea when trying to solo things—but it is often Not Cheap. And to get it otherwise requires doing the Baldesion Arsenal, which requires getting through all of Eureka, which... well, presumably see original complaint.)

[Vyrerus]

As someone who has a full set of elemental armor and weapon, I have tried to solo the highest levels of all the Eureka instances. With Hydatos, the highest I could do solo as a healer was level 63. Level 64 and 65 hit wayyyyy too hard to heal through it, even with the elemental bonuses. Maybe a pally could do it with their healing abilities. No WAY a DPS could, the damage is too great.

Hell, in Pryos the level 55 bloodmoths were a bitch to kill as a healer solo.

Due to the Echo and the Mnemes buffs, it's pretty easy to solo a level 65 creature on DPS like Samurai. Just takes a while, and it's kind of risky if Bloodbath's down. You just adjust your magicite allotment, get a fairy buff etc. I was doing it last year on my LP alt that I took through Eureka to show it off. Only Elemental gear he had was an Osode. Though, I never had longterm trouble finding enough people that wanted to spawn PW.