[Suggestion] FFXIV punishment system rework

[Abyss_me]

Yo/ my dear fellows!
Some of us may have found ourselves in this particular situation:
You enter the Duty and meet a new comrade that has some issue with a game that need to be solved for everybody enjoyment. Maybe your new friend has broken/dramatically_outleveled/no gear, maybe he don't know how to use his skills/spells properly, or maybe he don't understanding bossu mechanics, etc. So, as any fellow mentor do, you'll try to point on this little mistakes, try explain them and fix it. To be instantly kicked out for toxic behavior. Oh, such a labor!

So now I ended up in hostage situation:
- I can't reason with other in fear for being kicked from half backed duty;
- I don't wanna stay in company of toxic players that don't want improve to at least average level;
- I can't leave this sinking ship of a company cuz then I'll get penalty for abandoning it and have to wait to participate in new duty for my enjoyment and fun (and many players don't mind about leaving at all because they not very interested in Duty business at 1st place).

Dear SE devs, our punishment system looks like personal torture for involved in game players like me.

I suggest:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself

You may ask, but how will we kick players for:
Q: AFK?
A: They kicked out automatically by the system
Q: Lack of skills?
A: We should not.
Q: Lack of essential stuff (like low gear level so we can't pass DPS check in unreal)?
A: We should disband and meet again properly stuffed.
Q: Chat abuse?
A: Blacklist player/leave duty if you don't want to play with player/report it to SE authorities.

Additionally you may address:
Q: What will players do if somebody left the Duty, because they will never be able to complete it outnumbered?
A: Any player have ability to 'join duty in progress' so it'll be filled up again in a minutes.

[DrWho2010]

the system is in place because it works as is. any changes would make it ripe for abuse by anyone who didn't like anything they get for a roulette.

[Ammokkx]

You may ask, but how will we kick players for:
Q: AFK?
A: They kicked out automatically by the system

Not only does the system only kick you out after a solid 10 minutes, more than a third of the average duty length, but this also opens up abuse for Frontline. Sometimes players will try to not actually help the team out and run into a corner for the entire match trying to avoid the 1 minute AFK timer by shifting direction every-so-often. If we had no ways to manually kick we also couldn't punish such a player.

Q: Lack of essential stuff (like low gear level so we can't pass DPS check in unreal)?
A: We should disband and meet again properly stuffed.

In a duty roulette? At best you'll be allowed the disband and then take another 10 minutes Qing up as DPS.

Q: Chat abuse?
A: Blacklist player/leave duty if you don't want to play with player/report it to SE authorities.

"just leave lmao" is the worst possible attitude to have to someone who's being a dick. You can both report and blacklist someone on top of kicking them, none of these are mutually exclusive concepts. By kicking them out of the duty you signal to them "talking trash = you're not welcome" and at least has the chance for self-reflection before SE has to step in and play mediator.

[Abyss_me]

the system is in place because it works as is. any changes would make it ripe for abuse by anyone who didn't like anything they get for a roulette.

People abuse it anyway. If you get something you don't like u just leave and mind yr own business by RP, FATE or any other non-duty activity. So it not works in current condition either.

[Jin-]

Modern West. People are protected and can live without criticism. You can behave badly as a child (when a human learns how to act) and not be punished.

Result is: you don't pay my sub people

[Abyss_me]

Not only does the system only kick you out after a solid 10 minutes, more than a third of the average duty length

But u can't initiate any vote before 10 minutes from the start of the duty ~ and majority of people i've met afk from the start. So 10 minutes changes not so much. Anyway it can be adjusted.

, but this also opens up abuse for Frontline.

Then PvP activity can be regulated other way then PvE

[Abyss_me]

Modern West. People are protected and can live without criticism. You can behave badly as a child (when a human learns how to act) and not be punished.

Result is: you don't pay my sub people

But they don't pay my sub subsequently! Yeah, it's very sad lil world.

[OrpheusKappa]

Q: Lack of skills?
A: We should not.
Q: Lack of essential stuff (like low gear level so we can't pass DPS check in unreal)?

1. People should not be too lazy with doing their job quests.
2. Unreal has a very low ilvl requirement to enter (430) and synchs you to 435 so gear doesn't make a difference there.
The current system is servicable and what you recommend is worse because it would just cause more instances like in meridianum where most of the party leaves because it is an instance they don't want to be in since there is no penlaty. And trust me in some parties the 30 minute penalty seems more appealing than slogging through a duty for 40 minutes.

[GrumbleBeard]

I'd prefer to not put power in the hands of crazy people in this game.

[Abyss_me]

1. People should not be too lazy with doing their job quests.
2. Unreal has a very low ilvl requirement to enter (430) and synchs you to 435 so gear doesn't make a difference there.
The current system is servicable and what you recommend is worse because it would just cause more instances like in meridianum where most of the party leaves because it is an instance they don't want to be in since there is no penlaty. And trust me in some parties the 30 minute penalty seems more appealing than slogging through a duty for 40 minutes.

1) I'm sorry, I've meant lack of IRL training&knowledge, not actual job skill/spell
2) I don't wanna suffer punishments, I just wanna play da game.