Lamia NN: Repeated Harassments by One Player

[IckeDerTyp]

Now, this is a weird thread!

Who made you guys Judge, Jury and Executioner?

Being a mentor means nothing, honestly.

Don't try and make it into something uhm... Detrimental!

Anyway, Lamia sounds fun!

[Verthande]

Who made you guys Judge, Jury and Executioner?

...

Anyway, Lamia sounds fun!

Last night, a 'mentor' started talking about a topic (religion) that they have previously kicked the player the OP in this post is talking about. The player responded to a question from this 'mentor' with an answer that was absolutely not inflammatory in any way at all; literally just a straight up plain, boring response.

The 'mentor' kicked the player for 'Religious banter' and THEN warned the player after they were already kicked.

Fun, indeed.

[JuliusRath]

I literally said in the start of this post that once they cross the line to warn once and not engage in the conversational baits that this player ALWAYS does, most mentors are lenient to other sprouts, this is only for the repeat offender, and honestly if you are still tolerant to them, you simply haven't been around long enough dealing with them. The 'line' is going to be different for every mentor, because every mentor has a level of tolerance. My level of tolerance is what I posted before and other things along the line of like 'BLM is a terrorist organization', a literal quote from this individual. You or another mentor may not find that as a kickable offense but you should 100% respect my reasoning for my kick so long as it's outlined in the kick note. Whenever I kick this individual I cite TOS 2.3 and 2.8 because those are the guidelines in which I can kick and continue to kick the alts for the 30 minute duration.

I'm not holding everyone to the same standard because this person took the standard and spit on it and everyone else repeatedly.

The 'abuse of power' thing was the reason I posted my reply to this thread as I did. It was to include you and EVERYONE ELSE THAT DID IT. A literal chain reaction that shouldn't of happened, but everyone decided to act like children.

[Axxion]

This game moderation is extremely bad. Even after the updates to the TOS. Sadly to say there are no ways around it. Account band? make a new one. IP banned? use a vpn or proxy server.

What they need to do is to temporary disable the nnn and redo it with better parameters.

The only time they will take action is if they are leaks and/or talking about a certain person.

[Verthande]

...The 'line' is going to be different for every mentor, because every mentor has a level of tolerance. My level of tolerance is what I posted before and other things along the line of like 'BLM is a terrorist organization', a literal quote from this individual. You or another mentor may not find that as a kickable offense but you should 100% respect my reasoning for my kick so long as it's outlined in the kick note. Whenever I kick this individual I cite TOS 2.3 and 2.8 because those are the guidelines in which I can kick and continue to kick the alts for the 30 minute duration.

I'm not holding everyone to the same standard because this person took the standard and spit on it and everyone else repeatedly.

The 'abuse of power' thing was the reason I posted my reply to this thread as I did. It was to include you and EVERYONE ELSE THAT DID IT. A literal chain reaction that shouldn't of happened, but everyone decided to act like children.

I'm descended from literal African slaves from the Caribbean and I don't find that statement to be worthy of a kick so long as the context of it relates directly to a specific conversation that is being had. Context is key. Were there others discussing the same topic and not getting warned to stop? Then why, when this individual joins in, do they get special treatment?

The problem with not holding everyone to the same standards is that this can easily be turned against you. The best way to come up with standards is to think, "now that I've made these standards, would I be completely happy to give them to someone who considers me an enemy to enforce them upon myself?" Everyone needs to be equal and held to the same equal standard...which is why you constantly have so many people complain about the unjust kicks. Do you even remember a few months ago when some random sprouts formed that crap "sprout liberation army" and did nothing but repeat all of the abuse from the mentors that they'd seen?

I've spoken with a GM both before and after the changes and BOTH times they'd mentioned that jumping on an alt to get back in to NN is NOT a kickable offense...I'm not condoning that behavior...but the GM's have stated, unequivocally, that the rule is to circumvent the blacklist feature and that public spaces like NN aren't subject to the same rules for switching toons. Again...NOT condoning this behavior...but the GM's have said that, in this context, it's not against any rules and kicking for 'kick evasion' would be considered an abuse of power. If a GM or Mod wants to weigh in on that, here, and make that ruling once and for all then I'd be more than happy to abide by whatever they say.

Lamia has an issue with mentors abusing their power...I'm sorry that you can't see this but this issue is MUCH larger than just one, single player that you don't like.

[ICountFrom0]

That "one player" already has a lifetime ban and been told by squenix not to come back.
So they are not allowed in the game, or the novice network.
Dosen't matter what name they are using, they are not allowed.

So, why is kicking a person from a place they shouldn't be abusive?

[Verthande]

That "one player" already has a lifetime ban and been told by squenix not to come back.
So they are not allowed in the game, or the novice network.
Dosen't matter what name they are using, they are not allowed.

So, why is kicking a person from a place they shouldn't be abusive?

Are you a GM? No? Then how do you know what they've told them?

There's an interesting thing about Japanese games being bound by a law where they can't actually issue a lifetime ban unless actual laws have been broken, too.

Seems to me like you're either projecting, wishfully thinking, or outright spouting nonsense in hopes to justify treating another player badly regardless of what that player may or may not have done in the past.

You don't like them? Fine...blacklist is a thing. Get over it and move on and stop causing drama for the rest of the majority that aren't bothered by every little thing.

"Oh you're just defending them because..." No, I've kicked them twice in the past when they've gone over the line and they know I'll kick them again if the situation actually requires it. The problem is when I kick them...I also warn the players that are engaging in the same over-the-line nonsense and then I get dogpiled and kicked for ACTUAL equal ministration.

I'm saying this outright: You are part of the problem because you aren't being fair to every player.

[ICountFrom0]

I aint even there, so ... I'm being perfectly fair, aint done nothing to them.

[Verthande]

I aint even there, so ... I'm being perfectly fair, aint done nothing to them.

Precisely...you're not even there and you're pretending to know what's going on and instantly condemning a player that you know nothing at all about.

You're part of the problem.

[ICountFrom0]

I'm beliving the reports from the GM's that have lead to the character being permemently baned multiple times, and they came back when not invited.

There's a case in the US courts right now from roblocks that will set intering precident on the legality of it.