Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[SturmChurro]

You’re allowed to have an opinion, but trying to tell people who actually play male characters they’re getting enough masculine gear and they don’t need anymore is a bit reaching. Especially when again, it’s clear that female characters get pandered to time and time again and males are left in the dust constantly. Also yes, all the tanks mascots are males. So i guess only men can be tanks and only women can be healers. Interesting mindset that SE has ;p

Fortunately, I don't like most of the gear and agree that much of it is too feminine on males (or the designs just plain don't look good to me). Though, I just don't necessarily think it's because gear was designed with the female in mind, but more they have a specific theme going on. They are also a Japanese company, so their designs aren't generally going to be the classic western fantasy look. I know they can design cool looking gear though, since the PvP ranked rewards usually look so cool, so it's odd that stuff like that is near impossible to get, with little equally as cool available by other means.

[Maulclaw]

Rathalos set makes sense because it's not really theirs to modify as they see fit.

It looks nothing like the original Monster Hunter set, though.

[Avidria]

I keep seeing hairstyles brought up, and this is a genuine question but... Haven't most of the ones added for the last like, freaking forever been winners/runners up from that contest they had a few years ago? I don't know how many have actually even been entirely designed by SE. I also don't remember there being a ton of masculine styles among the winners, so I mean...

[KizuyaKatogami]

I keep seeing hairstyles brought up, and this is a genuine question but... Haven't most of the ones added for the last like, freaking forever been winners/runners up from that contest they had a few years ago? I don't know how many have actually even been entirely designed by SE. I also don't remember there being a ton of masculine styles among the winners, so I mean...

Well that’s the problem lol. SE leaves it up to the community to come up with hairstyles and since a lot of the community plays female characters, there’s obvious bias towards those kinds. Instead of SE themselves actually designing the hairstyles so it’s a fair balance between the two genders, we instead get more androgynous and feminine leaning hairstyles. ShB as a whole has been a pretty big disappointment for male glams between the nier raid coffer favoritism,the hairstyles, and nothing really changing with the healer gear problem.

[Maulclaw]

Well that’s the problem lol. SE leaves it up to the community to come up with hairstyles and since a lot of the community plays female characters, there’s obvious bias towards those kinds. Instead of SE themselves actually designing the hairstyles so it’s a fair balance between the two genders, we instead get more androgynous and feminine leaning hairstyles. ShB as a whole has been a pretty big disappointment for male glams between the nier raid coffer favoritism,the hairstyles, and nothing really changing with the healer gear problem.

That is, unfortunately, pretty typical to MMOs as a whole.

[Iscah]

I keep seeing hairstyles brought up, and this is a genuine question but... Haven't most of the ones added for the last like, freaking forever been winners/runners up from that contest they had a few years ago? I don't know how many have actually even been entirely designed by SE. I also don't remember there being a ton of masculine styles among the winners, so I mean...

Most of the recent ones have been from the contests, and the bias is overstated.

To my count, our "recent" hairstyles (since 5.0) have been:

- Shadowbringers trailer WoL (masculine and free to use)
- Great Lengths (neutral long style)
- Modern Legend (male contest runner-up; boyish)
- Wind Caller (masculine)
- Controlled Chaos (female contest runner-up)
- Saintly Style (male contest runner-up; boyish)
- Early to Rise (female contest runner-up)
- Both Ways (female contest shortlist)
- character hairstyles: Alphinaud, 2B and 9S

The original shortlist voting threads for the hairstyle contests are here:
Male hairstyles
Female hairstyles

Well that’s the problem lol. SE leaves it up to the community to come up with hairstyles and since a lot of the community plays female characters, there’s obvious bias towards those kinds.

Are you trying to suggest that because more people play female characters, they submitted the hairstyles they wanted on their female characters to the male hairstyle competition?

I'm not sure hairstyles were even unisex at that point. The overall winner (the "Adventure" style from the Gold Saucer) is one item with the separate winners of the male and female contests applied according to character gender.

Whether it's to your taste or not, the styles that fans wanted and submitted to the contest for male characters ARE often "unisex" things that could look good on female characters as well. But it's what people submitted to a contest asking, specifically, for hairstyles to be used on male characters.

[Avidria]

Most of the recent ones have been from the contests, and the bias is overstated.

To my count, our "recent" hairstyles (since 5.0) have been:

- Shadowbringers trailer WoL (masculine and free to use)
- Great Lengths (neutral long style)
- Modern Legend (male contest runner-up; boyish)
- Wind Caller (masculine)
- Controlled Chaos (female contest runner-up)
- Saintly Style (male contest runner-up; boyish)
- Early to Rise (female contest runner-up)
- Both Ways (female contest shortlist)
- character hairstyles: Alphinaud, 2B and 9S

The original shortlist voting threads for the hairstyle contests are here:
Male hairstyles
Female hairstyles
.

Hmm fair, been a while since I looked at the thread and I mostly voted on the female styles anyway

At any rate my point was, I keep seeing hairstyles brought up as an example of why removing gender locks = everything will be more unisex/female leaning, but that example just. Doesn't follow because those hairstyles were pulled from a pool of contest winners and designed by players. As far as I'm aware it wasn't like SE decided hey, we're gonna stop gender limiting hair so now everything has to look more gender neutral. Like, this is all speculation, but it seems more likely that it was like "hey, designing hairstyles takes up resources so let's let the players design a bunch and then trickle out the ones they seem to like the most over the next however many years."

[Iscah]

As far as I'm aware it wasn't like SE decided hey, we're gonna stop gender limiting hair so now everything has to look more gender neutral. Like, this is all speculation, but it seems more likely that it was like "hey, designing hairstyles takes up resources so let's let the players design a bunch and then trickle out the ones they seem to like the most over the next however many years."

Prettymuch. Though I think they did go through a phase of thinking like that once they started making hairstyles unisex – if you look in the character creator, there's a period when they first went to unisex hairstyles with a lot of short choppy styles and only a few that seem aimed at one gender or the other.

Now I think they are coming around to putting a mix of hairstyles that are "gendered" but still made available to anyone who wants to use them, and because fashion is a funny thing where women can wear masculine things but men can't wear feminine things, it can seem more biased than it is.

Plus the definition of what defines a hairstyle as men's rather than neutral is a variable thing from person to person. But if you look at the contest entries as examples then there is a definite pattern of the men's styles being potentially neutral and the women's styles being "fancy updos" that men wouldn't use. There are exceptions, of course, but that's the overall trend.

[Saimeren]

No thanks. There are minors playing this game as well and some of more recent ones put it on mature perversion category already.

(not saying that the is anything wrong with the ladies wearing those pants)

If you're that self conscious and insecure that you can't handle a child seeing a woman in pants or a man in a skirt; then that's a you problem, not an everyone else problem.

You definitely need to rethink your priorities. You clearly have a lot of growing up to do.

[MagiusNecros]

I approve of removing genderlock so I can rock that sexy Aymeric trenchcoat as Thighlander.

Should make everything dyeable too.