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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    We've been through this before. There are a number of healer outfits that are neutral-to-masculine. There is not "nothing", and showing one example of a feminine outfit does not prove that there is nothing.

    I made a long list before of things that I thought looked very good on male healer and, if I remember right, you dismissed it because the outfits could be worn by women too. That's not the same thing as the outfits not being there and available for men.
    Yes and like i told you before, nothing personal but i’d rather not someone who mains a female character try to tell me what’s rightfully masculine. That long list you gave, had numerous feminine looking ones as well. So please don’t try and tell me that when the ratio of masculine outfits to feminine outfits is horribly skewed. The nier raids attested to that. Recent hairstyles have attested to that. Hell, every single healer mascot for the game is female. That should say enough.Besides this thread is about removing genderlocks. Im giving rightful reasons why it shouldnt be unlocked as weve seen this expansion what kind of "un-genderlocked" gear we get. ITs mostly feminine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Yes and like i told you before, nothing personal but i’d rather not someone who mains a female character try to tell me what’s rightfully masculine. That long list you gave, had numerous feminine looking ones as well.
    I "main" a female character but I play and glamour both genders pretty equally.

    And yes, the list had both feminine and masculine glamours on it, because I listed everything instead of picking and choosing.

    We got the frilly Edengate gown but we also got things like the Bozja set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Yes and like i told you before, nothing personal but i’d rather not someone who mains a female character try to tell me what’s rightfully masculine. That long list you gave, had numerous feminine looking ones as well. So please don’t try and tell me that when the ratio of masculine outfits to feminine outfits is horribly skewed. The nier raids attested to that. Recent hairstyles have attested to that. Hell, every single healer mascot for the game is female. That should say enough.Besides this thread is about removing genderlocks. Im giving rightful reasons why it shouldnt be unlocked as weve seen this expansion what kind of "un-genderlocked" gear we get. ITs mostly feminine.
    I only play female characters in this game, but I think I can have a valid opinion on the sets regardless. For that matter, aren't all the tank mascots males?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I "main" a female character but I play and glamour both genders pretty equally.

    And yes, the list had both feminine and masculine glamours on it, because I listed everything instead of picking and choosing.

    We got the frilly Edengate gown but we also got things like the Bozja set.
    Yes and most of the ones you listed were in fact, mainly feminine. It’s the overall state of things. Between the hair,the purely feminine outfits, etc. Where are the purely masculine outfits then hm? Don’t really see them much i mean hell, even mogstation has more feminine exclusive stuff. Yshtola’s ShB outfit, Ryne’s outfit. When was the last time we got a male npc outfit outside of Alphinaud’s? Hien’s? Lmao
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    Personally, as a gay guy, I'd like to see more focus on conventionally attractive aesthetics. So, yes, more traditionally masculine glamour and hairstyles for male characters would be very much appreciated.

    I haven't seen much 'crying' from those of us who enjoy masculine aesthetics. Though I think it's fascinating how often it is memory holed that the development team were accused of being 'bigots' and other horrid things back when the gender locks were tighter.

    Furthermore, a common point of concern during the shift in development in regards to hairstyles was that the removal of the gender lock would result in the base designs leaning towards feminine and androgynous - which is exactly what happened.

    I'm not surprised to see gaslighting at play from some of the usual suspects, however - it is what it is, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Personally, as a gay guy, I'd like to see more focus on conventionally attractive aesthetics. So, yes, more traditionally masculine glamour and hairstyles for male characters would be very much appreciated.

    I haven't seen much 'crying' from those of us who enjoy masculine aesthetics. Though I think it's fascinating how often it is memory holed that the development team were accused of being 'bigots' and other horrid things back when the gender locks were tighter.

    Furthermore, a common point of concern during the shift in development in regards to hairstyles was that the removal of the gender lock would result in the base designs leaning towards feminine and androgynous - which is exactly what happened.

    I'm not surprised to see gaslighting at play from some of the usual suspects, however - it is what it is, I suppose.
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    It will happen one of these days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I only play female characters in this game, but I think I can have a valid opinion on the sets regardless. For that matter, aren't all the tank mascots males?
    You’re allowed to have an opinion, but trying to tell people who actually play male characters they’re getting enough masculine gear and they don’t need anymore is a bit reaching. Especially when again, it’s clear that female characters get pandered to time and time again and males are left in the dust constantly. Also yes, all the tanks mascots are males. So i guess only men can be tanks and only women can be healers. Interesting mindset that SE has ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    So i guess only men can be tanks and only women can be healers. Interesting mindset that SE has ;p
    Which is why all three of our healer trusts are men...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    You’re allowed to have an opinion, but trying to tell people who actually play male characters they’re getting enough masculine gear and they don’t need anymore is a bit reaching. Especially when again, it’s clear that female characters get pandered to time and time again and males are left in the dust constantly. Also yes, all the tanks mascots are males. So i guess only men can be tanks and only women can be healers. Interesting mindset that SE has ;p
    Fortunately, I don't like most of the gear and agree that much of it is too feminine on males (or the designs just plain don't look good to me). Though, I just don't necessarily think it's because gear was designed with the female in mind, but more they have a specific theme going on. They are also a Japanese company, so their designs aren't generally going to be the classic western fantasy look. I know they can design cool looking gear though, since the PvP ranked rewards usually look so cool, so it's odd that stuff like that is near impossible to get, with little equally as cool available by other means.
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