Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[Karious]

Gender roles are a social construct? Don't these roles exist in nature? Hell, even in caveman times, males would go hunt and the females would raise the young. Lions form prides, which are social groups and adhere to their gender roles. I'm not sure I follow.

In many nations outside of the United States, people are still shamed for wearing whatever they want, and in some nations, those people are killed if they do not adhere to gender clothing standards. I'm all for freedom of expression, but expecting that it's the norm the world over and that everyone should just accept it or they're ignorant is just silly.

I'd love more pants for women, just as I'd love more dresses. I would also love to see more manly men outfits for the guys. And if enough people wanted more dresses and skirts for the boys too, I wouldn't complain.

I just feel there's a lot of speaking for people around the world without considering their feelings in this thread.

[artypartytime]

Gender roles exist in nature but are vastly different among different species. In a lot of species the male is more fabulous than female.

Alternatively gender roles exist mostly for survival.
Men hunt or protect usually because they are bigger.

As survival based of strength becomes less of a concern gender roles begin to change.
Notibly lionesses who don’t need a man to protect them from most predators become hunters.

Same for humans as we enter into a more intellectual phase in human history “big man strong” isn’t as valuable as a person who knows how to use their brains well.
So it’s no surprise that gender roles are breaking down because they are no longer Necessary.

Now as humans you can chose to maintain old gender roles if they work for you or abandon them completely. Both options are for the individual to chose and neither is right or wrong.

So! You can chose to wear the outfit that speaks to your gender or you can chose not to care about that at all and wear whatever you feel like.

Both options are present both options are valid

[artypartytime]

Gender roles exist in nature but are vastly different among different species. In a lot of species the male is more fabulous than female.

Alternatively gender roles exist mostly for survival.
Men hunt or protect usually because they are bigger.

As survival based of strength becomes less of a concern gender roles begin to change.
Notibly lionesses who don’t need a man to protect them from most predators become hunters.

Same for humans as we enter into a more intellectual phase in human history “big man strong” isn’t as valuable as a person who knows how to use their brains well.
So it’s no surprise that gender roles are breaking down because they are no longer Necessary.

Now as humans you can chose to maintain old gender roles if they work for you or abandon them completely. Both options are for the individual to chose and neither is right or wrong.

So! You can chose to wear the outfit that speaks to your gender or you can chose not to care about that at all and wear whatever you feel like.

Both options are present both options are valid

[MilkieTea]

Gender roles exist in nature but are vastly different among different species. In a lot of species the male is more fabulous than female.

Alternatively gender roles exist mostly for survival.
Men hunt or protect usually because they are bigger.

As survival based of strength becomes less of a concern gender roles begin to change.
Notibly lionesses who don’t need a man to protect them from most predators become hunters.

Same for humans as we enter into a more intellectual phase in human history “big man strong” isn’t as valuable as a person who knows how to use their brains well.
So it’s no surprise that gender roles are breaking down because they are no longer Necessary.

Now as humans you can chose to maintain old gender roles if they work for you or abandon them completely. Both options are for the individual to chose and neither is right or wrong.

So! You can chose to wear the outfit that speaks to your gender or you can chose not to care about that at all and wear whatever you feel like.

Both options are present both options are valid

this. gender roles while they exist in nature do not exist as WE have made them. we've decided that, arbitrarily, pink is for girls, blue is for boys. we've decided, arbitrarily, that girls wear skirts, and boys wear pants. what we DIDN'T decide is that amabs have different muscle structure, and thus were the hunters of most societies. what we DID decide, is that big man stronk so big man lEaD.

hell, the decision of men wearing pants is so recent that most of human history, both amabs and afabs were wearing robes, dresses, skirts. it's only the last 600-ish years that we've began to shift towards a weird dichotomy of men do this and women do that, and even then that has shifted over history - ie men used to wear heels, men wore makeup and wigs, men wore flamboyant clothes.

(also you posted twice @artypartytime ahah)

[Penthea]

Gender roles are a social construct? Don't these roles exist in nature?

Some gender roles are essential for survival depending on your circumstances. We as humans have outgrown the needs of rigid gender roles due to how we live now being so vastly different to long ago. If anything our current state of society needs these gendered roles to be abolished wherever possible to be able to meet the needs of modern society. A lot of industries suffer because of sexism. They're depriving themselves of talented and useful people because of gender bias that no longer makes sense to uphold.

This thread is purely about virtual clothing. I hope I don't need to explain that it has no relation to using gender roles to survive as a species.

It makes no sense to gender lock gear because there is no real benefit to it. It forces SE to often design two versions of a set of gear which is more work for them, and it frustrates many players who prefer gear that is not useable by their character solely because of gender. Never mind how SE gain less money by only allowing some characters to access certain appearance options. Certainly for me SE have gotten less money from me because there are mog station gear sets I would adore to have on my character but I can't unless I change the gender of my character, which I have no intention of doing.

[Halivel]

And every specie a social structure, although a very different one from what we experience ourselves. Even lions. That said, we don't live in times when men were hunting and women were gathering crops and raising the young. We don't live in times when women weren't even allowed to read, let alone work, either. Society changes, and given this I don't get why some people are so stuck on "but it's not a tradition". By "tradition" I should be having 9th kid by now without ever being allowed to get a proper education because I would be a mere incubator in the eyes of "traditional society".

I live in such a country. You can be beaten up to death for something as harmless as dying your hair blue, and it's not a figure of speech - we had such cases registered and talked about in news. I still stand on my point: people should be allowed to wear what they want without being shamed for it nor anything else. EPSECIALLY because I'm from a place where it's still not the case and I want it to change, like many other who is affected by this <kupo!>. Media, games included, is not a main factor in process, but it's a part of it and a good one because it's much less dangerous, shifting the norm slowly without actual real-life threat.

[LisSquid]

We already have more gender "specialized" gear than not. Also I'm begging people to stop parroting gender essentialism for survivals sake. We didn't start seeing gender roles until agriculture started to see primitive industrialization (thus shifting the workload unevenly, and the credit of valued labor).

I'd like to see earrings, boots, hats, and gloves be unlocked at the least.

[Penthea]

We already have more gender "specialized" gear than not. Also I'm begging people to stop parroting gender essentialism for survivals sake.

That argument is even more silly when all we're talking about is cosmetic appearances that have literally zero effect on combat performance. If these people truly believe in the whole "we need gender roles to survive" and think a game should reflect this, then I wonder why they aren't making threads complaining about how women in this game's story are permitted to do battle instead of being forced to stay home and take care of children and old people.

[Schwarzstahl]

you know whats cool?

that we play a japanse game. a country the gives nothing about those western problems.

twitter made a whole western generation gaga

[LisSquid]

you know whats cool?

that we play a japanse game. a country the gives nothing about those western problems.

twitter made a whole western generation gaga

Pretty sure women like suits and men like dresses in Japan, too, but go off queen.