Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[Gameovers]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's lame, people who prefer having short hair on their character should have options too.

you're missing the point... there's a difference between having options and thats all you're getting. Here's a hint.. all we've been getting is boring short anime hair. I liked it better when we actually HAD options. I want them to NOT be lazy, they've been lazy with the hair. So what I'm saying is if it leads to them NOT being lazy then I'm all for it.

[Dogempire]

you're missing the point... there's a difference between having options and thats all you're getting. Here's a hint.. all we've been getting is boring short anime hair. I liked it better when we actually HAD options. I want them to NOT be lazy, they've been lazy with the hair. So what I'm saying is if it leads to them NOT being lazy then I'm all for it.

I mean I get what you're saying but the way I see it, they're probably going to lean away from adding more short hairstyles next expansion, and IMO before Shadowbringers there were only a handful of good looking short hairstyles, so I'm glad to see more options instead of most male characters only using the same few hairs.

But then again who knows, they can't even be bothered to fit the newest hat and hairs to Viera and Hrothgar heads so it's pretty reasonable to assume they're just being lazy

[ReiMakoto]

As someone who cross dresses their character, it is absolutely depressing the sheer lack of long (and short) skirts for men.

[Halivel]

Signed by me. But if anything, I'm more concerned about items like Neo-Ishagrdian sets, Artifact sets, Nier sets and such. In case with a lot of Mog Station clothes - there is a chance of them lifting restrictions in future, because those are two separate sets with its own separate items. When it goes to Neo-Ishgardian/Artifact/Nier/etc, however.... they just alter depending on gender without being two different sets. That's what I don't like the most. I have a friend who would prefer male Fending Neo-Ishagradian set, but she only plays female characters. I have items I like more on "female version" more, as well. And the way these items are, the chance of them being separated and adjusted is next to 0%, such a shame.

[Theodric]

As a gay guy, I think it's fine for people to not care for specific types of fashion. Not liking feminine looking fashion has very little to do with one's confidence in masculinity. I don't think it's any different to someone disliking a particular colour or type of food.

I'd like to see more focus on masculine looking hairstyles, casual glamour and customisation options.

[Packetdancer]

I mean, pink used to literally be a "manly" color in the first half of the 20th century, and blue a "girly" one. And that only when they were given a gender connotation at all.

For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti.

It also used to be relatively common for children to be put in dresses regardless of whether they were boys or girls, for many reasons; one big one was that a long dress could be worn for longer periods of time by a growing child, whereas pants had to be replaced far more frequently. There was even a celebration called a "breeching" when boys were old enough to wear pants (well, breeches), because they were now more "grown-up".

Definitions of masculinity change from generation to generation; they've changed before, they'll change again, we're probably watching them change now. They also vary from culture to culture; a Scotsman will hardly be judged "unmasculine" because he's wearing a kilt. (And, according to many women—including me—potentially looking damned fine as he does. Witness more than a few images of, say, Ewan McGregor or David Tennant wearing kilts floating around the internet.)

Doesn't mean it's not worth getting more options that are seen as "more masculine" now, of course. Variety is excellent, especially if the women can also wear the "masculine" options. (PLEASE GIVE ME PANTS. EVEN AS A HEALER.)

But it's also not worth getting too fussed over what clothing male characters wear.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I'm less interested in "masculine vs feminine" and more in "these two options are very different and I like that one better".

[StriderShinryu]

I'm less interested in "masculine vs feminine" and more in "these two options are very different and I like that one better".

So much this.

Expressing gender via clothing choice is absolutely a deeply held concern for some people, and there clearly are many people who feel certain types of clothing are expressly tied to certain gender expressions.

On top of that, though, are just the people who prefer one option over the other in specific cases simply because they feel it just looks better on their character or feels better for their ideal of the job/role at hand. My femiqo main wears everything from long dresses to short skirts to pants. I love the 2B outfit on her but I also really wanted last years Valentione's Day "men's" button down shirt and vest. I love the original Dragoon class armour from level 50 but hate that the fem version has the stupid belly window. Allowing players to use which ever gendered version of an item they choose isn't always anything more than just wanting one option over the other because we like how one looks over the other.

Of course, all that said, it's also pretty silly to assume it's as simple as SE just ticking the "work for both genders" button on the item creation screen. Getting an item to work on all races and all genders properly with all of their possible animations and body variations (even though we don't have many in FF14) is a lot of work, and it's understandable if they can't go back and make every single piece of gear created to this point gender lock free. For items created new and now, however, there really isn't much excuse. It's still a lot of work but it should be part of the work flow, just like making all hats work on Viera and Hrothgar.

[Theodric]

Branding people to be 'bigots' for not liking a particular style of fashion is a bit strange to me and does little to endear people to whatever point is being made.

[MilkieTea]

Branding people to be 'bigots' for not liking a particular style of fashion is a bit strange to me and does little to endear people to whatever point is being made.

Not liking =/= being uncomfortable because it challenges your view of gender norms.

As I stated: Or does it just make bigots uncomfortable to see, and make bigots view you as less than a male? Because if it doesn't impact the first two, then I don't really care about the second.