Why do Viera and Hrothgar Pay the Same for Less?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Yep. Because I my world when I pay for something I expect quality. I bought it with money [I] earned in a job where [I] also had to bring quality to the table to get paid.

All you do with your apologetic attitude is selling yourself short, while others laugh in your face over your own inability to self-reflect, I'm sorry to say.

Ok, Ill be sure to reflect on how Im selling myself short by being happy that I can wear glasses on my Hrothgar, and how that upsets people like you for some unknown reason.

[Dogempire]

I just love being called a shill for a Corporation by being happy with getting what I want and not being mad like everyone else because they aren't happy.
Like my satisfaction doesn't matter unless everyone else decides its ok when THEY are happy. Sad times, can't enjoy things. I need to join the herd.

To be fair, the point of the thread isn't about glasses, and it's understandable that people get annoyed with what you posted, even if I don't agree with the response.

Anything that wasn't flat out praising SE pretty much amounted to the forum equivalent of "Well both sides have good arguments so let's find a middle ground."

That being said I don't think you're a shill, I just don't think you should post an overly positive but also inoffensive opinion in a discussion thread and not expect at least a few people to get miffed by it

[BlitzAceRush]

I really don't get how people can defend SE for releasing more glamour items but then excluding the 2 limited races from it.

If they can't even add hats for the new items, then the chances of them being able to go back and add hats and headgear for all the old pieces is basically 0

I'm not "excluded" from the glamor set because I can't wear the hat I was able to buy it just fine, and wear all of it just fine. (even the hat, though I simply can't see it) At no point did the store deny my purchase because I'm a Viera, at no point did the game deny me equipping or glamouring the set due to being one of the "limited" races.

You're also correct it is likely zero chance they'll go back and add hats for all the old pieces, because that's exactly what they said. They said no to hats, then said some at some point, well we've gotten some, three or so glamor items back I was able to wear the mog station hat, I thought "Oh, that's nice." As I was told to expect not to be able to wear many if any and so if one pops up it's nice even if I won't use it.

It's fine to want or wish they could wear all past and future headgear, but people need to stop pretending they didn't make it clear what to expect and what we'd get. Which is why it doesn't bother me, I was told up front before I became a Viera what I was and wasn't getting, I went in knowing that and decided it was worth it to me, technically I actually got more than I thought as initially it was none when I agreed to make the swap.

[Dogempire]

I'm not "excluded" from the glamor set because I can't wear the hat I was able to buy it just fine, and wear all of it just fine. (even the hat, though I simply can't see it) At no point did the store deny my purchase because I'm a Viera, at no point did the game deny me equipping or glamouring the set due to being one of the "limited" races.

You're also correct it is likely zero chance they'll go back and add hats for all the old pieces, because that's exactly what they said. They said no to hats, then said some at some point, well we've gotten some, three or so glamor items back I was able to wear the mog station hat, I thought "Oh, that's nice." As I was told to expect not to be able to wear many if any and so if one pops up it's nice even if I won't use it.

It's fine to want or wish they could wear all past and future headgear, but people need to stop pretending they didn't make it clear what to expect and what we'd get. Which is why it doesn't bother me, I was told up front before I became a Viera what I was and wasn't getting, I went in knowing that and decided it was worth it to me, technically I actually got more than I thought as initially it was none when I agreed to make the swap.

That's a perfectly reasonable opinion to have, but at the same time if you start accepting mediocrity from a company selling you a product and you continue to buy it despite said mediocrity, what kind of message do you think it sends to the seller?

They're pretty much blatantly telling you that what you're getting is incomplete and there's no plans to fix it, and accepting it without a fight or complaint tells them that they can continue to make things that are incomplete and mediocre and they can get away with it because people will buy it regardless.

[BlitzAceRush]

That's a perfectly reasonable opinion to have, but at the same time if you start accepting mediocrity from a company selling you a product and you continue to buy it despite said mediocrity, what kind of message do you think it sends to the seller?

They're pretty much blatantly telling you that what you're getting is incomplete and there's no plans to fix it, and accepting it without a fight or complaint tells them that they can continue to make things that are incomplete and mediocre and they can get away with it because people will buy it regardless.

Other than claiming I should be unhappy when I am not, we agree. As I said I've no issue with people wanting more or asking for more, that is perfectly fine and people should do that, I'll happily agree with anyone who says they wish/would like all hats to work. However I was told what I would get and got exactly that, people are free to not buy the glamour sets if the hat not working is not acceptable to them, I'm fine with it and likely wouldn't have used it anyway so it makes no difference to me.

[Payadopa]

Ok, Ill be sure to reflect on how Im selling myself short by being happy that I can wear glasses on my Hrothgar, and how that upsets people like you for some unknown reason.

Nah, I'm not upset. More baffled as to how people can't see how they are eroding the industry and how indoctrinated they are. Thank you Mr. SE for making me think I'm not being fleeced as hard. lol You really don't see where that kind of thinking of yours lead? Yeah, I'm more baffled.

[Quintessa]

Im happy I can wear glasses too but not happy that if I wanna wear the RDM 80 hat(withered one, the other one is ugly as sin) I'll have to change races..

[SturmChurro]

I just love when people shill for multi million dollar corporations. Maybe finish a product before you sell it, SE. But these are the forums. If SE asked for a finger these people would say it's not so bad, we have like 9 more anyway. lol Sad times.

Unfortunately, they (SE) seem to think viera/hrothgar are finished. I don't think they consider them incomplete races. Viera/hrothgar are complete, and they are content with them being in their limited state.

I really don't get how people can defend SE for releasing more glamour items but then excluding the 2 limited races from it.

If they can't even add hats for the new items, then the chances of them being able to go back and add hats and headgear for all the old pieces is basically 0

Because they are "limited", they don't get hats. Why would they bother? They stated they wouldn't receive any hats, and meant it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

To be fair, the point of the thread isn't about glasses, and it's understandable that people get annoyed with what you posted, even if I don't agree with the response.

Anything that wasn't flat out praising SE pretty much amounted to the forum equivalent of "Well both sides have good arguments so let's find a middle ground."

That being said I don't think you're a shill, I just don't think you should post an overly positive but also inoffensive opinion in a discussion thread and not expect at least a few people to get miffed by it

Makes no sense to get miffed at me for being happy that I can wear glasses on my Hrothgar. Regardless of "The Point" of the thread, its childish to call me a Shill for it; claiming Im defending the company. Getting the response I did was unnecessary, but hey, your Signature pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

Nah, I'm not upset. More baffled as to how people can't see how they are eroding the industry and how indoctrinated they are. Thank you Mr. SE for making me think I'm not being fleeced as hard. lol You really don't see where that kind of thinking of yours lead? Yeah, I'm more baffled.

Are you sure you're not upset? Cause my god, what a response to have just because Im happy I can wear glasses, when likely its all I was gonna wear anyway.
Im baffled you are attaching such language to me for just being happy to wear specs XD

[LisSquid]

Unfortunately, they (SE) seem to think viera/hrothgar are finished. I don't think they consider them incomplete races. Viera/hrothgar are complete, and they are content with them being in their limited state.

I've made peace with it, honestly. Now I'm banging pots and pans for more Viera specific customization that was promised to us. I think about all those metal headdresses from XII and feel yearning. I don't know what they could do to compensate for Hrothgar, but I'd be happier with no hats if we had a wide selection of Viera specific headdress. The Fran hair is a step, but we really need more.