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    Suggestion to avoid botting houses! 3 attempts per day system!

    Permit only 3 clicks per soft reset, per plot.

    That means, allow only 3 clicks per day in trying to get a house plot, you can of and will of course get 3 clicks on any other house plot as well, it will flush out botting, auto clicker tools and more.

    It would also be 100 times better than a raffle, and it will have people going around trying to get plots, the one that is lucky getting the house once timer is off, get a house.

    Problem solved, no toxic players camping at houses, and can as well spend the day of a changing enviroment as well, it also would make it less painfull.
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    It won't matter. Instead of 3 players camping, you'll have 50.

    You need to just basically remove all ability to advertise an open plot of land before the plot of land can actually be purchased. If the gil price is up there, it can be bought instantaneously. If not, it cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769 View Post
    You need to just basically remove all ability to advertise an open plot of land before the plot of land can actually be purchased. If the gil price is up there, it can be bought instantaneously. If not, it cannot.
    This system suggested will work, you can't bot something efficient in any way that you have a massive cooldown on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    This system suggested will work, you can't bot something efficient in any way that you have a massive cooldown on.
    They don't care about efficiency. They can just have a script sitting there for 12-24-more hours, more than any human can deal with, to spam the spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769 View Post
    They don't care about efficiency. They can just have a script sitting there for 12-24-more hours, more than any human can deal with, to spam the spot.
    If you can only click something 3 times in 24hrs, it doesn't matter what the script is designed to do. Removing the price does NOTHING to alleviate the issue because as was pointed out to you elsewhere, the big empty piece of land gives it away. Restricting the number of times you can click a set placard is a great way to stop the bots.

    Only issue is that for people looking to buy their first house (rather than transfer), they're likely to be negatively impacted as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769 View Post
    They don't care about efficiency. They can just have a script sitting there for 12-24-more hours, more than any human can deal with, to spam the spot.
    Thing is if trying to bot the house the click would be in 8 hour intervals, meaning, it can drop free at any point, making it insane hard for botting self to a house.... a sprout with the requirements and coin in hand could be getting it in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    Thing is if trying to bot the house the click would be in 8 hour intervals, meaning, it can drop free at any point, making it insane hard for botting self to a house.... a sprout with the requirements and coin in hand could be getting it in between.
    What do you think the gilsellers are doing? Basically, they're botting and scripting the entire process so that, if you are a legitimate player and want a house, you cannot get it through the legitimate means and MUST either go through them or go without.

    Which is obstruction in the first place. You could even have certain scripts that if anyone even so much as reacts to the fact that it is clear that every house is being camped continuously, they can counter-react as part of the script to try to throw you off.
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    An interesting suggestion. I wonder if SE could successfully program the system to work that way, though. Attempts to purchase would have to be tracked server side or PC users who cheat could just log out, change the code on their local client so their attempts are reset to 0 and log back in to try again. Still opens small windows where others could potentially get the plot while the cheater is resetting their attempts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769 View Post
    What do you think the gilsellers are doing? Basically, they're botting and scripting the entire process so that, if you are a legitimate player and want a house, you cannot get it through the legitimate means and MUST either go through them or go without.

    Which is obstruction in the first place. You could even have certain scripts that if anyone even so much as reacts to the fact that it is clear that every house is being camped continuously, they can counter-react as part of the script to try to throw you off.
    I think you're missing the point of his proposal.

    Someone running a bot or script could sit at the placard clicking over and over and over but only the first 3 attempts in a 24 hours period would be acknowledged by the game. All their attempts after that would be useless. Someone else could walk by 10 minutes after the third attempt, or 45 minutes or 3 hours or however long, and if the purchase timer has since come off cooldown, they would be the owners and not the bot/script user that was still mindlessly clicking away.

    It's still not a perfect solution to house flipping but as long as the purchaser timer remains hidden, there is no advantage to be using automation at the placard.
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    Im not sure if there would be an easy way to set a daily limit for this sort of thing. I wonder if it would be easier just to set an absurdly long cooldown(one try per hour+) on it instead. Achieves the same result. Its an interesting idea, but my gut tells me this would probly be harder to implement then we would give it credit for.
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    This topic again... Well a wise player (what do you mean I'm narcissistic?) once said :

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoonrise View Post
    A solution to this problem could come from Bozja registration system. As soon as a plot opens for sale, you can register to it. To do so, you need to pay the price of the plot. 1 week after the first registration, the system randomly selects one applicant. This person now owns the plot, all the others get their gils back.
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