Why doesn't pve have pvp combo structure?

[van_arn]

After thinking about this, I'd like to see a limited version of this implemented. For the jobs that have multiple chains (drg/sam/nin off the top of my head) it would be nice to have a button for each chain, rather than twice or three times as many buttons to smash.

On keyboard this isn't quite as big of a concern, but on gamepad being able to do the basic chains with the face buttons means you don't need to remove your thumb from the movement joystick or chord into hotbar 2/3 mid-series. It's actually a very nice little QOL change that reduces button bloat.

On SAM, this would change generating 3 sen from:
RB 123 RB+LB 123 RB 14

to

RB 111 222 33

Nothing would really change rotation-wise, you'd have to pay attention to the specific step you're in for the chain, and you'd still need to go for the chains in the right order to maintain your buffs. It's just less swapping between pages for the same skills. Your ogcd usage also remain unchanged.

[HyoMinPark]

After the way jobs lost complexity going from Stormblood into Shadowbringers—and the developers’ obsessions with dumbing things down and making everything simpler—I wouldn’t expect them to actually come up with engaging battle systems/oGCDs to go alongside combo consolidation. They couldn’t stand for healers to have more than one DoT or thought buffs like Heavy Thrust or Straight Shot were “too hard” to manage, so I have no faith they would actually give us anything interesting with this new hotbar real estate (which some jobs are already barebones in terms of buttons anyways...). Hard no on making it forced onto the general playerbase—I would likely quit the game in its entirety because I did not like the change in PvP. I’d rather not it forced upon me in the PvE mode that I have always primarily played.

The reason it exists in PvP is because the developers said that they wanted players to focus on the strategy of PvP environments rather than a rotation.

EDIT: I know there’s no difference between 1-2-3 and 1-1-1 in terms of complexity—but for me, it all boils down to me actually hitting different buttons instead of just spamming the same one. Makes it feel less boring and more mentally engaging. But that’s just my opinion. Wanted to add this because I thought it deserved mention, but forgot to put it in the original post.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

I would only be okay with this if it were optional and remained that way forever. Under no circumstances should it be made the standard.
Even still, Yoshida has said he doesn't want this for PvE, so it's doubtful we'll even see an option to do so outside of PvP.

[Awha]

Please for those acting like such a change would lead to the sky falling, if they made it a toggleable option then all your fears are avoided. Do not want simplified combos just do not use it.

[LisSquid]

Please for those acting like such a change would lead to the sky falling, if they made it a toggleable option then all your fears are avoided. Do not want simplified combos just do not use it.

I don't want them to be satisfied enough with combos to be able to consolidate them into one button. I'd rather we move in a direction that would make such a function impossible. IE: rethink combos and make them more engaging.

[Awha]

I don't want them to be satisfied enough with combos to be able to consolidate them into one button. I'd rather we move in a direction that would make such a function impossible. IE: rethink combos and make them more engaging.

Thing is as it stands moving away from the core gameplay style by rethinking the core function of combos runs the risk of alienating the existing play base that may enjoy the current style of play. While adding a PvP style toggle just adds an extra element of enhance to existing players.

Sure in an ideal world I would love for more complex combos, I would prefer is healers had more involved DPS tool kits, but after all these years the chances of SE moving away from their current design philosophy seems unlikely. I wish they would stop removing skills from jobs, I wish they would give jobs more ogcds to use, I wish more depth was added to each class especially the two roles I play most tank and healer. That said, having a pvp toggle for those players that prefer a more streamlined version by all means go for it. I rather they go that way of reducing so called button bloat as an option, instead of cutting skills and function from jobs.

[Kes13a]

Please for those acting like such a change would lead to the sky falling, if they made it a toggleable option then all your fears are avoided. Do not want simplified combos just do not use it.

yeah, if only it hasnt been seen time and again with things like this that developers will opt for less buttons, with no toggle on/off feature but removed abilities.

why? because its easiest.

[Duskane]

This. I still cannot understand where's this so called "button bloat" some people talk about.

i cant fit all my actions on Paladin luckily its only shield bash
and i have to put LB in a seperate hotbar for GNB and my lightning shot is in a semi awkward spots which i cant fix without using 3 hotbars

i play controller and id love to have the OPTION to save a couple spots

[ItMe]

i play controller and id love to have the OPTION to save a couple spots

Especially because that extra space makes making hotbars much more flexible, and gives you room for pots.

[lolicon09]

i cant fit all my actions on Paladin luckily its only shield bash
and i have to put LB in a seperate hotbar for GNB and my lightning shot is in a semi awkward spots which i cant fix without using 3 hotbars

i play controller and id love to have the OPTION to save a couple spots

I also play with a controller and no Job uses more than 3 cross-hotbars (some just require 2)

Personally, i use cross-hotbar 1 and 2 for Jobs actions, and 3 only for Role actions.