Why doesn't pve have pvp combo structure?

[EtherRose]

I support the idea. While mostly everyone in this thread is against it because it "Dumbs Down" the game and makes it a one button spam they fail to realize that SE could have taken this route with combo actions and kept other actions/skills instead of getting rid of them. So while it takes 3 skills and condenses them into a 1 button combo skill it'll make more room for various other skills that SE could have kept on the Job/Class or add new ones.

[Duskane]

it be nice to have as an option for specific combos
it really wouldn't dumb the game down

[Deceptus]

it be nice to have as an option for specific combos
it really wouldn't dumb the game down

For some reason there are people who are REALLY deadset on pressing 1-2-3 and are vehemently against pressing 1-1-1.

3 button presses either way, but one has 3 dedicated buttons and one has only 1 dedicated button.

Maybe, JUST maybe if they actually did that, SE would have a reason to stop taking away abilities, repackaging them and giving them back to us at later levels.

[LisSquid]

What about a button that just completes my whole rotation, too? PVP is already not as engaging because of this combo button nonsense. It's also rather insulting that they force us to use it.

I've never had a problem using my buttons, and if the issue (and it is) that pressing 1 - 2 - 3 is mindless, then what we should be asking is why is game design bad?

[GrumbleBeard]

What about a button that just completes my whole rotation, too? PVP is already not as engaging because of this combo button nonsense. It's also rather insulting that they force us to use it.

I've never had a problem using my buttons, and if the issue (and it is) that pressing 1 - 2 - 3 is mindless, then what we should be asking is why is game design bad?

I used to really like pvp in ARR and HW and the changes they made in SB and SHB completely killed it for me. I think if they did that for pve I would lose the will to play anymore.

[Katie_Kitty]

For some reason there are people who are REALLY deadset on pressing 1-2-3 and are vehemently against pressing 1-1-1.

3 button presses either way, but one has 3 dedicated buttons and one has only 1 dedicated button.

Maybe, JUST maybe if they actually did that, SE would have a reason to stop taking away abilities, repackaging them and giving them back to us at later levels.

Yep.. Can't help but laugh when people argue against this idea because "muh dumbing down" when they aren't even getting the most out of the jobs they play to begin with and mostly do not even step foot in anything more difficult than a normal raid. It's laughable at best and not convincing to me in the slightest.

PVP-style combo buttons should absolutely be an option. Forcing each individual step in every combo to be its own separate button serves no purpose, does not make gameplay any more complicated, in fact accomplishes nothing but button bloat. Adding these combo buttons into PVE content would free up all kinds of hotbar space and even allow them to add more skills and more depth to the current jobs if desired while maintaining the same level of accessibility.

1-2-3 is not difficulty. It is not complexity. It is needless button bloat when 1-1-1 would work just fine while also allowing you to replace the 2-3 with other skills.

[Rymi64]

You are about the 1000th person to ask this. And every time it gets answered with the same thing.... STOP TRYING TO MAKE FFXIV SO DUMBED DOWN ITS A ONE BUTTON GAME! It’s bad enough SE guts jobs every expansion, it’s bad enough jobs like mch which was once the most complex and a lot of fun Is now considered the easiest. It’s time to make the game a bit more complex not less.

You can add complexity while still having fewer main combo buttons. You named a job that did this before. MCH has always had it's 3-part combo since it's conception yet you said it used to be complex so this means the main 3 part combo didn't add to it's complexity. So they could consolidate the combo into one button and then give us two more buttons in their place. (Also could you tell me when it was complex I don't recall it ever being but its been years)

[MsQi]

I think machinist and Dark Knight are the only ones I can think of with a straight A->B->C combo, I haven't even maxed them out yet. Doing something like this would imply that you are supposed to keep those going all the time which is not the case. Everything has actions you need to weave in and there are time to ignore that combo for a time.

You can add complexity while still having fewer main combo buttons. You named a job that did this before. MCH has always had it's 3-part combo since it's conception yet you said it used to be complex so this means the main 3 part combo didn't add to it's complexity. So they could consolidate the combo into one button and then give us two more buttons in their place. (Also could you tell me when it was complex I don't recall it ever being but its been years)

The "3 button combo" was chance based. I'm not sure if it was based on crit or just random, but the next ability in the series was not always available immediately after previous. Also you could have one of 2 turrets (one for single target and one for AoE) that were placed manually. May not have been more buttons, but clearly required more attention.

Everyone lost role actions.

[Rymi64]

Yeah, they'd definitely use that opportunity to add a ton of unique, interesting new skills, just like they did with all that newly opened hotbar space in 5.0 MCH- oh wait.

You say this like mch ever really had a bunch of bunch of buttons to press. You're honestly pressing the same amount of buttons as hw in shb

[shao32]

I don't want to spend the day spaming the same button for my GCD rotation, it's dull and it's not feel rewarding to play in a game like this, for me for example i hate inner release window for that same reason and are saddly everywhere now but i respect have a job or 2 that follow this like BLM but for the rest? never, we need more gameplay complexity not reduce everything to spam a button and use ocasional oGCD, i personally tired that everything need to be reduced to the most lower end floor and then start digging to lower it even more and i say it as a controller user.

And there is still room to add/upgrade skills, for example every job that use the combo system could get finally a upgrade to the lvl 1 combo started (except DRG who already have one) and add more effects to the second combo step and stuff like that for no mention there is still jobs with skills that have lack of impact or are extremly situational for nerfs or just bcs overall poor desing.