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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Is it a bot when I see these people looking up and down at the board every few seconds?
    Not necessarily. Some people just stand there clicking for hours while watching youtube/netflix. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabiri View Post
    Not necessarily. Some people just stand there clicking for hours while watching youtube/netflix. XD
    I'd really like to know if there are any live people out there doing this. There can't be that many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Is it a bot when I see these people looking up and down at the board every few seconds?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769 View Post
    I'd really like to know if there are any live people out there doing this. There can't be that many.
    I have done Housing Savage twice, in person, for hours. It's really not hard to do it on kind of semi-conscious auto-pilot while you are watching something else....

    0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0 ... over and over. You can go pretty fast. Your character will be nodding like they've got some sort of condition.

    Players around me probably thought I was a bot.. but I was not.

    In truth, there's not really any way you could tell if a person was botting or not.. The behavior would look the same whether they are or aren't. Since it just boils down to repeatedly pressing a series of keys over and over, you could even program your keyboard to do it, if your keyboard is fancy enough.
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    Last edited by gilmorej; 01-27-2021 at 01:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilmorej View Post
    you could even program your keyboard to do it
    That's a bot.
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    Player Wrestlefire769's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    That's a bot.
    Exactly. Because that's exactly what the scripts are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestlefire769 View Post
    I'd really like to know if there are any live people out there doing this. There can't be that many.
    I was one of them. 9 Hours for the first try. I didn't get the house.
    7 hours for the second try. I didn't get the house.
    10+ hours for the third try. I got the house.

    Of course I would step away for an anxious moment to get food, drink, and take bathroom breaks, before rushing back. In that time my character was unmoving.
    But I was pretty stubborn/determined. And I'm not super opposed to repetitive activities. I just watched movies at the same time to keep me awake.

    Edit: I will say that my hand was pretty sore (arthritis acting up) at the end of each of these nights though.. XD
    But wrecking our health is what it takes to get a house in this game, and having one was that important to my happiness within the game.
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    Last edited by Nabiri; 01-27-2021 at 06:17 AM.

    ~She gave her heart to a falling star~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabiri View Post
    I was one of them. 9 Hours for the first try. I didn't get the house.
    7 hours for the second try. I didn't get the house.
    10+ hours for the third try. I got the house.

    Of course I would step away for an anxious moment to get food, drink, and take bathroom breaks, before rushing back. In that time my character was unmoving.
    But I was pretty stubborn/determined. And I'm not super opposed to repetitive activities. I just watched movies at the same time to keep me awake.

    Edit: I will say that my hand was pretty sore (arthritis acting up) at the end of each of these nights though.. XD
    But wrecking our health is what it takes to get a house in this game, and having one was that important to my happiness within the game.
    Jesus. Hope you got an actual desirable plot for all that time. I don't even have arthritis (in my mid-20's), but after probably around 12 hours total of clicking, I could really feel it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Jesus. Hope you got an actual desirable plot for all that time. I don't even have arthritis (in my mid-20's), but after probably around 12 hours total of clicking, I could really feel it..
    Haha.. Thanks, but it was a piece of junk facing a wall in Ul'dah. I've since moved though.
    Was just happy to be able to decorate and have a garden!

    (X3 In my 30s, but have an old injury in that hand - turned into arthritis. D: )
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    ~She gave her heart to a falling star~
    ~~~~~~
    If he's not here, then where?
    ~~~~~~
    ~Been searching for my Afterman~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabiri View Post
    Haha.. Thanks, but it was a piece of junk facing a wall in Ul'dah. I've since moved though.
    Was just happy to be able to decorate and have a garden!

    (X3 In my 30s, but have an old injury in that hand - turned into arthritis. D: )
    I think I know which plot you mean. You got lucky on that relocation. I've been checking housing every so often, it's literally ALL gone here. I can't relocate anywhere.

    That's too bad, but now that you have that house you probably won't ever have to click like that again. Even if they don't fix, or alleviate the issue of housing.
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    To add to previous post, since Mogstation/cash shop stuff has come up...

    I personally don't object (much) to the Mogstation, since pretty much everything they offer is cosmetic. (Glamours, dyes, etc.) Yeah, there are multi-seat mounts in there, but you can get two-person (and four-person!) mounts in-game as well. Yeah, I sort of wish job potions were restricted to letting you only skip a job you'd leveled the slow way on some other alt, but I get why they sell those.

    But I've seen so many much-more-predatory cash shops that the Mogstation seems pretty mild. The whole reason I quit the Secret World after its reboot into Secret World Legends was their cash shop change; what used to be mostly glamour items became "we're going to drop loot crates in world, which you need to unlock with keys that you get very few of... but hey, come pay us real money and you can get more keys to unlock the loot you obtained during actual game play."

    (They're far from the only game that has done that, but it really, really irritated me since it was a change introduced with the reboot. Classic TSW's 'lootbox' mechanic for event glamour was bad enough pre-reboot, but it was just glam/pets/mounts. Locking down actual in-game loot behind RMT in SWL was the final straw for me.)

    So if they chose to add a for-cash option of "buy a small private housing ward for your FC" or whatever, honestly, that's probably not the worst change they could make. (It's not the best change either, mind you...)

    Of course, what I'd really love to see as a change is the ability to get most of the cash shop stuff in-game through spending the golden Chocobo feathers you get for recruit-a-friend and whatnot: use them on fantasias, dyes, glamours, mounts, etc. Then restore the veteran rewards system, and just give you like... 5 golden feathers for every three months that you're subscribed. That way, long-time subscribers would effectively have a way to buy the cash shop items as a side-effect of their subscription, while people who like to sub briefly and bounce, or just use timecards—or people who wanted more things than they had feathers for—could all still get those things via the cash shop as well.

    (As a bonus, if you could buy the glamours in-game for golden feathers, and could buy the individual pieces of said glamours... you could use the in-game glamour vendor to preview the dang things on your character.)
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