Plots everywhere demolished and open!

[LisSquid]

ESO just uses the "free" monthly crowns as an excuse to jam pack their cash shop full of items.

I use the sub to not have to buy every single little expansion pack. Dropping $15 for a month to do all the content and then not play for a while is more cost effective for me as a player. There are greater issues with them scalping rewards out of high end content for the crownstore, but that is a separate discussion that lines up with SE itself.

SE on the other hand, has a cash shop with fairly reasonably priced items

SE is a pay to play game with $40 mounts in their cash shop. For a game that has no benefit for picking one race or another (reasons race change purchases, or other games refusing to offer them, exist) they make you pay $10 for the privilege of changing your skin color.

I also don't buy the guilt-trip that "proceeds made from the mogstation go right back to ffxiv developers". That's where our sub should go.


Also I will say you can't really call ESO's limited time sales limited when they pop up like clockwork to the point people have made spreadsheets about it.

[SturmChurro]

I use the sub to not have to buy every single little expansion pack. Dropping $15 for a month to do all the content and then not play for a while is more cost effective for me as a player. There are greater issues with them scalping rewards out of high end content for the crownstore, but that is a separate discussion that lines up with SE itself.



SE is a pay to play game with $40 mounts in their cash shop. For a game that has no benefit for picking one race or another (reasons race change purchases, or other games refusing to offer them, exist) they make you pay $10 for the privilege of changing your skin color.

I also don't buy the guilt-trip that "proceeds made from the mogstation go right back to ffxiv developers". That's where our sub should go.


Also I will say you can't really call ESO's limited time sales limited when they pop up like clockwork to the point people have made spreadsheets about it.

Why would you buy any of their DLC with your crowns, when if you are subbed all the time anyway stacking those monthly crowns, you have access to all DLC? You get literally nothing out of those monthly crowns at that point. How much do you play those DLC, not subbed? If you have to be subbed several months to even buy the DLC in the first place, you are paying for them just the same as you would upfront. Just slowly, overtime.

FFXIV has ONE $36 dollar, (which is less than ESO mounts) account-wide, that multiple people can ride. With about 16 or 17 mogstation specific mounts, and the rest being holiday mounts (total 25). In comparison ESO has HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS of mounts that you have to have PAID for with crowns alone. Now, granted, I do think there should be an alternative to the Chocobo carriage that can be attained at any time in-game. But please, it's not even equivalent.

They are "limited", there is a reason I included " ". It's artificial* scarcity, as I said, it's a ploy.

[LisSquid]

Why would you buy any of their DLC with your crowns, when if you are subbed all the time anyway stacking those monthly crowns, you have access to all DLC? You get literally nothing out of those monthly crowns at that point. How much do you play those DLC, not subbed? If you have to be subbed several months to even buy the DLC in the first place, you are paying for them just the same as you would upfront. Just slowly, overtime.

FFXIV has ONE $36 dollar, (which is less than ESO mounts) account-wide, that multiple people can ride. With about 16 or 17 mogstation specific mounts, and the rest being holiday mounts (total 25). In comparison ESO has HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS of mounts that you have to have PAID for with crowns alone. Now, granted, I do think there should be an alternative to the Chocobo carriage that can be attained at any time in-game. But please, it's not even equivalent.

They are "limited", there is a reason I included " ". It's false scarcity, as I said, it's a ploy.

I don't know why you're coming at me about this on a thread about housing, truly. Also, the most expensive eso mount is $30. Most are $13, which is in line with Mogstation.

And I do make good on my sub on eso c: Just finally finished the final trifecta runs of the new dungeons (pointing back to them siphoning rewards out of pve into crates because people refuse to engage in hard content aside.. I'll wear these tattoos anyway.)


The mogstation has no right to exist, but it does. I'd argue it has even less right to exist than the crownstore, but it does.

[SturmChurro]

I don't know why you're coming at me about this on a thread about housing, truly. Also, the most expensive eso mount is $30. Most are $13, which is in line with Mogstation.

And I do make good on my sub on eso c: Just finally finished the final trifecta runs of the new dungeons (pointing back to them siphoning rewards out of pve into crates because people refuse to engage in hard content aside.. I'll wear these tattoos anyway.)


The mogstation has no right to exist, but it does. I'd argue it has even less right to exist than the crownstore, but it does.

I was replying to YOU, on the "$40" mount, and cash shop. I never saw this addressed, which WAS about housing:

When it comes to housing. ESO has very good instanced housing. You can even see the property on the map. You can walk to it on the map - so it's there, but it's not. The scale is massive, and the amount of customization therein is amazing. SE could take notes from this, I will agree with that point, and that point alone - when it comes to ESO housing. Players could have properties even greater than having a large plot.

Please.

ESO is a faux buy to play game. It is heavily emphasized to play with the sub. The fact of the matter is free to play, or buy to play games, are actually MORE expensive games, than something with FFXIVs model. I think SE gets a lot of uncalled for flak over the mogstation.

Sure, I can agree with you, the mogstation has no right to exist! But nor does any of the items created FOR the mogstation! That's the thing! If the mogstation didn't exist it doesn't mean ANY of these items would be in-game. They were created by the mogstation team FOR the mogstation.

I do think more in depth instanced housing should be made available however, IN-GAME, not the mogstation. I would rather not see any properties on the mogstation. There is a lot of untapped potential here though, when it comes to instanced housing.

Sorry, if I am coming off aggressive. It's because I went to bed with a migraine, I woke up with a migraine, and I got annoyed after reading certain replies (not in this thread). Don't take it personally, please.