Plots everywhere demolished and open!

[SturmChurro]

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Well, them adding a Crysta reward system wouldn't necessarily lead to them becoming more and more predatory, so I'd give you that. I do think there is SOME merit in the idea, for sub-based rewards, in general, but a system like ESO, I just don't think would work. At least not on a similar scale. I think there may be other better alternatives anyway, I'd rather see more unique rewards in-game, outside of the cash shop.

As for developer history, I don't really know SE too well, not outside of this game in particular. I tend to not trust most developers these days, and when I do, I get let down. Like CDPR - I don't excuse them either, they are actual liars in my book. Same level, maybe worse than EA.

Yeah, there is a ton of instanced housing available in that game. Granted, I think Zenimax uses housing as a vehicle to sell cash shop decor, but even so the housing at a base level is far more in depth and dwarfs this game's large plots in scale/scope. I don't necessarily think SE has to go down the road of instanced housing, but they need to do something. Housing is fairly heavily emphasized, and I wouldn't doubt if they add at least something new to it come this next expac, whether it's changes, or more of the same. I couldn't believe that clicking on a plot for tens of hours was the norm for trying to get a house on a populated server. It was unbelievable, and it's still unbelievable.

Oh, also, they need to add a glamour dresser function and stuff to houses too.

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This estate hall is probably the ugliest thing I have ever seen for housing. I need to figure out how to get something better. Probably crafting.



Seriously, it's hideous. I can't believe I spent 450k on it.

[Nabiri]

Is it a bot when I see these people looking up and down at the board every few seconds?

Not necessarily. Some people just stand there clicking for hours while watching youtube/netflix. XD

[Wrestlefire769]

Not necessarily. Some people just stand there clicking for hours while watching youtube/netflix. XD

I'd really like to know if there are any live people out there doing this. There can't be that many.

[gilmorej]

Is it a bot when I see these people looking up and down at the board every few seconds?

I'd really like to know if there are any live people out there doing this. There can't be that many.

I have done Housing Savage twice, in person, for hours. It's really not hard to do it on kind of semi-conscious auto-pilot while you are watching something else....

0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0 ... over and over. You can go pretty fast. Your character will be nodding like they've got some sort of condition.

Players around me probably thought I was a bot.. but I was not.

In truth, there's not really any way you could tell if a person was botting or not.. The behavior would look the same whether they are or aren't. Since it just boils down to repeatedly pressing a series of keys over and over, you could even program your keyboard to do it, if your keyboard is fancy enough.

[Seraphor]

you could even program your keyboard to do it

That's a bot.

[Wrestlefire769]

That's a bot.

Exactly. Because that's exactly what the scripts are doing.

[gilmorej]

My point was merely that scripts or 3rd party programs aren't even necessary to automate buying a house, not whether or not keyboard macroing is botting.

Probably wasn't even worth bringing up, in hindsight.

[Seraphor]

My point was merely that scripts or 3rd party programs aren't even necessary to automate buying a house, not whether or not keyboard macroing is botting.

Probably wasn't even worth bringing up, in hindsight.

Well you were talking about discerning 'real players' from bots, or not so as the case may be.

Fact is in this scenario, real players ARE the bots, because why else would they want the housing plot but to actually use that plot?
Actual players bot all the time, from spamming housing plot placards, to automated gathering. It's not just throwaway accounts for gil sellers.
And the fact that a person actually hitting the keys themselves over and over can be virtually indistinguishable from a script just compounds the problem.

Of course you could always try to initiate a trade with them, if they haven't turned trades off.

[Nabiri]

I'd really like to know if there are any live people out there doing this. There can't be that many.

I was one of them. 9 Hours for the first try. I didn't get the house.
7 hours for the second try. I didn't get the house.
10+ hours for the third try. I got the house.

Of course I would step away for an anxious moment to get food, drink, and take bathroom breaks, before rushing back. In that time my character was unmoving.
But I was pretty stubborn/determined. And I'm not super opposed to repetitive activities. I just watched movies at the same time to keep me awake.

Edit: I will say that my hand was pretty sore (arthritis acting up) at the end of each of these nights though.. XD
But wrecking our health is what it takes to get a house in this game, and having one was that important to my happiness within the game.

[SturmChurro]

I was one of them. 9 Hours for the first try. I didn't get the house.
7 hours for the second try. I didn't get the house.
10+ hours for the third try. I got the house.

Of course I would step away for an anxious moment to get food, drink, and take bathroom breaks, before rushing back. In that time my character was unmoving.
But I was pretty stubborn/determined. And I'm not super opposed to repetitive activities. I just watched movies at the same time to keep me awake.

Edit: I will say that my hand was pretty sore (arthritis acting up) at the end of each of these nights though.. XD
But wrecking our health is what it takes to get a house in this game, and having one was that important to my happiness within the game.

Jesus. Hope you got an actual desirable plot for all that time. I don't even have arthritis (in my mid-20's), but after probably around 12 hours total of clicking, I could really feel it..