Plots everywhere demolished and open!

[LisSquid]

At this point if they put entire instanced islands up on the mog station, like ESO, I wouldn't even mind. Why have an FC house when you can make an FC village?

[Juicymama]

in memory to those who died to covid. hopefully your plot will not serve as a blank house

[NanaWiloh]

Don't have to like the mogstation but the data center move and the servers there. The servers they are looking to add too aid with housing would not have happend or being happening without the mogstation. The developers dont control how much money they have to work with SE does and SE has been gimping since this games launch.

[LisSquid]

ESO is a faux buy to play game. It is heavily emphasized to play with the sub. The fact of the matter is free to play, or buy to play games, are actually MORE expensive games, than something with FFXIVs model. I think SE gets a lot of uncalled for flak over the mogstation.

We can agree on this that Zenimax has abused the cosmetic nature of the store, while removing rewards out of the game. There was a time this wasn't true, but here we are.

Sorry, if I am coming off aggressive. It's because I went to bed with a migraine, I woke up with a migraine, and I got annoyed after reading certain replies (not in this thread). Don't take it personally, please.

It's alll good. I genuinely enjoy your input on this forum <3.

Don't have to like the mogstation but the data center move and the servers there. The servers they are looking to add too aid with housing would not have happend or being happening without the mogstation. The developers dont control how much money they have to work with SE does and SE has been gimping since this games launch.

Thinking that improvements of the game should hang on the profits from mogstation is.. bad. It's bad. If that really is how it works, then SE is rotten. Companies redistribute money away from projects to fund other ones, but if they are neglecting the game with "well, MOGSTATION sales alll go back into ffxiv!!" That's manipulative.

[NanaWiloh]

We can agree on this that Zenimax has abused the cosmetic nature of the store, while removing rewards out of the game. There was a time this wasn't true, but here we are.



It's alll good. I genuinely enjoy your input on this forum <3.





Thinking that improvements of the game should hang on the profits from mogstation is.. bad. It's bad. If that really is how it works, then SE is rotten. Companies redistribute money away from projects to fund other ones, but if they are neglecting the game with "well, MOGSTATION sales alll go back into ffxiv!!" That's manipulative.

Ya its a terrible tatic. Never liked it myself the game should be getting the biggest cut of its own sub money. If the Dev team got the kind of money they needed a lot of the issues the game has could be fixed, more of what players want could be added.

[SturmChurro]

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ESO has done some things really well, again, instanced housing. SE could most definitely take things from this and other competitors, perfect it, and make a much better game. So, I agree with the thought.

I love how ESO did their instanced housing (not the price tag). Like I was saying, you can actually go to, and see the home on the map. It's an actual part of the world, sure when you enter it things change as per your decor, but I like that it's there. It almost gives a sense of community like FFXIV, your home is right THERE. A part of the map. It's cool. I think that would be a really cool implementation for this game, and would fit completely in theme here, while giving us proper instanced housing at the same time!

I just know something needs to be done about housing in FFXIV. As is, too many people are getting left out. I think it's archaic, and I get the idea, but so much more could be done! I should address, that yeah, if you have a house you cannot take a break. It sucks that if you have any kind of real world emergency, living situation changes, etc. you lose your house. I spent an entire day clicking on a placard, it would be a torture for someone to lose the house they spent a TON of time decorating, or just getting the plot of land in the first place. New, proper, instanced housing, in some form, could be a nice way to solve this, or rather alleviate this issue. It could provide for a much less torturous experience, and even provide much more expansive options when it comes to housing in general. Really, with housing in the state it is right now though, almost anything would be a better solution than what it is.

I just don't think a a "free" crysta, like ESO crowns, would really work out well for this game as a whole. I think it would only make the cash shop more prevalent and predatory over time. Like ESO. Despite the probable good reception.

Yes, I was just comparing SE's pricing to other things. I think much of what is sold is overpriced. Like their $18 dollar outfits - which I buy anyway, but it's not really out of the norm for things to cost that much. Not excusing the pricing, but acknowledging it.

We can agree on this that Zenimax has abused the cosmetic nature of the store, while removing rewards out of the game. There was a time this wasn't true, but here we are.



It's alll good. I genuinely enjoy your input on this forum <3.

I actually don't know how bad it has gotten now. I haven't played it for over a year at this point. I have actually played that game since BETA, but it was never a main game for me. I mean, I've probably put a pretty large amount of time into my high elf, but it's safe to say I play it on and off, for lengthy periods about once a year. Since it's launch. Mostly just for the story, and making outfits. Love my High Elf - she looks great. I just know whenever I play it, I would just get incredibly disgusted by just how predatory the cash shop was. Yes, I have fell prey to it as well. Despite my complaints, I have spent quite a bit of money on their cash shop as well, for outfits or whatever. Just as I have this game.

I remember when ESO had a cash shop, and it was really scarce. If they have started lessening or seemingly outright removing rewards from the game in favor of the cash shop, that is really bad.

Sorry, again.

[Shougun]

I respect your concern SturmChurro, so if we said you knew for SURE SE wouldn't go out of their way to abuse players then the concept of crown in sub would be cool but you don't and so you're not crazy for the idea? I'd call that fair enough lol.

I think SE is a talented and great game company but I wouldn't say I'm blindfaith to them, so if they did try that I'd probably be like "that's very sad to hear, but fine then - bye", although I wish they go that direction where you want to give them blindfaith (some recent missteps and not a pure feeling that they refuse to release anything but perfection, but I think they're working on that image again or just some nice releases recently - which I don't want to make sound it's easy lol). Like if Supergiant makes something I just assume it'll be gleaming with polish. If Larian says their game is ready it'll be pretty great out the door and continue to be supported in big ways (although people have to keep in mind they have the early access model so "ready" and "playable" are different lol). If Rockstar games makes a game you bet it'll have one heck of a single player ride with verrrrrrry high attention to detail, and also a micro transaction riddled multiplayer experience that is thankfully entirely optional to enjoy their games. FromSoftware is going to punish your soul but not your wallet. CD Projket was in that group, but their Cyberpunk launch obviously left a lot to be desired (not a horrible game but you could tell it was not ready to launch and they cut a lot of content to get it to the 'not ready for launch' state that it was in. SE has a lot of high caliber games, so you could say they're in that direction and in a great way but some recent stuff in history makes me want to say "probably, but lets wait for one more game before we announce membership" (FFXV, imo, had clear signs of things missing and just not feeling all the way "done" but was still fun, I very much liked the road trip vibes, and SE's mobile games are very predatory, imo, which I guess doesn't have to mar their PC side of things but I'm certainly aware some division of SE thinks it's fine). SE was definitely in that group when I was younger, but there was a period where they made interesting stuff but with obvious flaws that were like "aww.. what's that about? Like FFXIII had some awesome moments in each department that a game can be a game but also had quite a few flaws that were like ... "that's not it.. that's not the secret sauce"). Blizzard used to be there but they've fallen a bit, their treatment of WC3 Reforged was pretty bad and as it was basically one of the games I spent most of my childhood on was like "OOOOOFF - you just stab the child in me". Of course fallen doesn't mean incompetent or not talented (blizzard still houses some high talented people), EA and Activision produce some great titles occasionally but they're also the big examples of companies NOT to blindly trust because they will metaphorically rob you in broad daylight in front of your family at the wedding if you stop paying attention to them.

I suppose if I was talking about an EA game and a crown system I'd be massively hesitant too, but I'd probably be massively hesitant to talk about anything with money in it lol, but I want to be hopefully SE wouldn't do that at least not in their PC market. Whoever is in charge of their mobile stuff I've faith would do that XD (I know a bit of it is outsourced and there is some fun stuff in it, but the micro transactions in some of their mobile games are super aggressive).


As for the house part of ESO.. yeah.. lol. What do they have like 50 houses in the game now? You can own each one. Each one. . . And many of them have equal to or more item count max than FFXIV's. LOL?! It's a hilarious level of difference. (Although I still like to point out Wildstar here since they went into the thousands and had some extra power features as well, but I do like the concept of ESO that these houses have a location / belonging vs Wildstar which is more "find your own belonging").

[SturmChurro]

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Well, them adding a Crysta reward system wouldn't necessarily lead to them becoming more and more predatory, so I'd give you that. I do think there is SOME merit in the idea, for sub-based rewards, in general, but a system like ESO, I just don't think would work. At least not on a similar scale. I think there may be other better alternatives anyway, I'd rather see more unique rewards in-game, outside of the cash shop.

As for developer history, I don't really know SE too well, not outside of this game in particular. I tend to not trust most developers these days, and when I do, I get let down. Like CDPR - I don't excuse them either, they are actual liars in my book. Same level, maybe worse than EA.

Yeah, there is a ton of instanced housing available in that game. Granted, I think Zenimax uses housing as a vehicle to sell cash shop decor, but even so the housing at a base level is far more in depth and dwarfs this game's large plots in scale/scope. I don't necessarily think SE has to go down the road of instanced housing, but they need to do something. Housing is fairly heavily emphasized, and I wouldn't doubt if they add at least something new to it come this next expac, whether it's changes, or more of the same. I couldn't believe that clicking on a plot for tens of hours was the norm for trying to get a house on a populated server. It was unbelievable, and it's still unbelievable.

Oh, also, they need to add a glamour dresser function and stuff to houses too.

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This estate hall is probably the ugliest thing I have ever seen for housing. I need to figure out how to get something better. Probably crafting.



Seriously, it's hideous. I can't believe I spent 450k on it.

[Quintessa]

Well, them adding a Crysta reward system wouldn't necessarily lead to them becoming more and more predatory, so I'd give you that. I do think there is SOME merit in the idea, for sub-based rewards, in general, but a system like ESO, I just don't think would work. At least not on a similar scale. I think there may be other better alternatives anyway, I'd rather see more unique rewards in-game, outside of the cash shop.

As for developer history, I don't really know SE too well, not outside of this game in particular. I tend to not trust most developers these days, and when I do, I get let down. Like CDPR - I don't excuse them either, they are actual liars in my book. Same level, maybe worse than EA.

Yeah, there is a ton of instanced housing available in that game. Granted, I think Zenimax uses housing as a vehicle to sell cash shop decor, but even so the housing at a base level is far more in depth and dwarfs this game's large plots in scale/scope. I don't necessarily think SE has to go down the road of instanced housing, but they need to do something. Housing is fairly heavily emphasized, and I wouldn't doubt if they add at least something new to it come this next expac, whether it's changes, or more of the same. I couldn't believe that clicking on a plot for tens of hours was the norm for trying to get a house on a populated server. It was unbelievable, and it's still unbelievable.

Oh, also, they need to add a glamour dresser function and stuff to houses too.

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This estate hall is probably the ugliest thing I have ever seen for housing. I need to figure out how to get something better. Probably crafting.



Seriously, it's hideous. I can't believe I spent 450k on it.

Hey, I see you got a house finally, grats.

Crafting would be the way to go and imo this is where it really feels rewarding to be a crafter. You can literally craft your house. It will take A LOT of time, but it will be worth it.

[SturmChurro]

Hey, I see you got a house finally, grats.

Crafting would be the way to go and imo this is where it really feels rewarding to be a crafter. You can literally craft your house. It will take A LOT of time, but it will be worth it.

Yes, but I'm not too invested in living in the Grand Canyon. I'd rather have Lavender Beds, or God Forbid Shirogane, but that'll be another struggle. Not too interested in the idea of Ishgard, I'll have to see how the whole place looks, if they do it. Ishgard would probably be really nice for a medieval fantasy inspired set though.

Yeah, I want housing to be kind of a big motivation to get me to actually level, or occasionally play any crafters.