Game difficulty, syncing, minimum ilvl and new players

[Addy]

Man the Thordan trial is pretty bad with the high ilvl too...the cutscenes were really nice then you do the trial and......oof you can literally stand in all of the "mechanics" (If you can literally call them that at this point.) and not die. At least the visuals in the fight are cool I guess.

[Gemina]

Man the Thordan trial is pretty bad with the high ilvl too...the cutscenes were really nice then you do the trial and......oof you can literally stand in all of the "mechanics" (If you can literally call them that at this point.) and not die. At least the visuals in the fight are cool I guess.

I came into the game at a time when you very much could die in that fight if you got hit by bad. FATEs like Svara, Odin and Behemoth were still heavily ran with tons of deaths as well. Those were fun times, but we have new special FATEs and NM raids to go along with trials where going in blind definitely increases the chances you'll get smoked.

I really enjoy the unreal trials and hope they extend it to the HW primals and onwards. Thordan EX and Nidhogg EX in particular when they were relevant were sick fights that I would love to see added at some point.

I wonder if they could do instanced FATEs with old badies like Svara and sync them up to recall some of those times. Could probably allow 48 players in there, and let the fun begin.

[ForteNightshade]

Man the Thordan trial is pretty bad with the high ilvl too...the cutscenes were really nice then you do the trial and......oof you can literally stand in all of the "mechanics" (If you can literally call them that at this point.) and not die. At least the visuals in the fight are cool I guess.

I'll never forget when I first started how underwhelming Thordan felt. While the build up towards him was fairly solid, his fight was so poorly tuned I could stand in AoEs and not worry. That didn't make for an epic, grand finale but an anti-climatic one. And this was only ten months into Heavenswards. Nowadays, so much older content is utterly laughable. I appreciate they don't want new players to be left too far behind, but it makes doing old content less fun. In fact, it's one of the main reasons I almost never touch it anymore.

[Wissp]

I'll never forget when I first started how underwhelming Thordan felt. While the build up towards him was fairly solid, his fight was so poorly tuned I could stand in AoEs and not worry. That didn't make for an epic, grand finale but an anti-climatic one. And this was only ten months into Heavenswards. Nowadays, so much older content is utterly laughable. I appreciate they don't want new players to be left too far behind, but it makes doing old content less fun. In fact, it's one of the main reasons I almost never touch it anymore.

I found this post amusing.

I am part of a discord group that does the old stuff at Min I-level and no Echo and we recently cleared Thordan EX. I got to see first hand the reputation this trial got as the hardest one in FF14. Believe me, you do it with all the mechanics in play and no 'help' like the echo and being overgeared, and it is Damn HARD! Right now we are doing Nidhogg Ex. Not as hard as Thordan, we should clear him tomorrow night.

I am currently doing the whole of Coils MINE too and T9 is the Bitch. Good Lord Nael is hard! We hope to finally beat her next weekend and move on to T10.

Yeah, it's a shame newer people can't normally experience the fights like they were and see the true mechanics of it. Luckily though, there ARE groups that offer the chance if you look for them.

[technole]

I found this post amusing.

I am part of a discord group that does the old stuff at Min I-level and no Echo and we recently cleared Thordan EX. I got to see first hand the reputation this trial got as the hardest one in FF14. Believe me, you do it with all the mechanics in play and no 'help' like the echo and being overgeared, and it is Damn HARD! Right now we are doing Nidhogg Ex. Not as hard as Thordan, we should clear him tomorrow night.

I am currently doing the whole of Coils MINE too and T9 is the Bitch. Good Lord Nael is hard! We hope to finally beat her next weekend and move on to T10.

Yeah, it's a shame newer people can't normally experience the fights like they were and see the true mechanics of it. Luckily though, there ARE groups that offer the chance if you look for them.

Thordan EX was designed to be a higher than usual difficulty as a way to bridge between Alexander Gordias Savage floor 2 and 3, so it was like a 2.5. Those i205 weapons were valuable to help the A3S Living Liquid DPS check.

Even I can admit it took my raid group getting the Thordan weapons to clear Gordias Savage when it was relevant. Not a ton of people cleared Gordias Savage, and it nearly dissipated the raiding scene in the game. YoshiP said they never wanted Thordan EX to be a regular thing. Hades EX almost had that similar feeling, a bit easier but it was just a long fight.