Level 80s who single target groups of mobs

[iVolke]

The real question is why you tolerate people using single-target abilities on packs in a level 80 dungeon. Kick those people. They’re not new.

Because 9/10 time another party member will berate me for using the kick feature, often saying something along the lines of "bUt KiCkiNg iS mEaN"

[Vahlnir]

So, is this considered kick abuse if I was to kick someone who was vastly underperforming? Is there any sort of precedent where SQ has allowed this? I mean, it's something I can certainly do or try, but I would want to stay in the green.

If they were holding back the group's progress, aka keeping the group stuck in one spot for x amount of time, then there is nothing wrong with it according to the ToS. I've initiated a kick a couple times for that reason in the 8 or so years I've been playing. Otherwise it comes down to a "difference of playstyles" which is a bit of a gray area. I suppose one could make the argument that another person's underperformance was causing someone "emotional distress" (causing emotional distress is a ToS violation) but that's a stretch and a half. I'm sure someone somewhere has tried it though. I can happily say that the amount of times I've initiated a vote to kick for anything could be counted on one hand.

[SturmChurro]

If they were holding back the group's progress, aka keeping the group stuck in one spot for x amount of time, then there is nothing wrong with it according to the ToS. I've initiated a kick a couple times for that reason in the 8 or so years I've been playing. Otherwise it comes down to a "difference of playstyles" which is a bit of a gray area. I suppose one could make the argument that another person's underperformance was causing someone "emotional distress" (causing emotional distress is a ToS violation) but that's a stretch and a half. I'm sure someone somewhere has tried it though. I can happily say that the amount of times I've initiated a vote to kick for anything could be counted on one hand.

For all my big talk on these forums in the past, the only time I've ever actually initiated a kick on someone was when they were DCed. Otherwise I just let it be.

[Driavna]

If they were holding back the group's progress, aka keeping the group stuck in one spot for x amount of time, then there is nothing wrong with it according to the ToS. I've initiated a kick a couple times for that reason in the 8 or so years I've been playing. Otherwise it comes down to a "difference of playstyles" which is a bit of a gray area. I suppose one could make the argument that another person's underperformance was causing someone "emotional distress" (causing emotional distress is a ToS violation) but that's a stretch and a half. I'm sure someone somewhere has tried it though. I can happily say that the amount of times I've initiated a vote to kick for anything could be counted on one hand.

Just by current ToS if three out of four members want to play in a certain way and the other don't adapt could be considered "imposing your playstyle" and is a violation of said ToS. At the same time, if before initiating a vote kick I asked/requested "Use your AoE rotation please." the kicked player can report me for the same violation.

It's the problem with such a vague ToS, at the end is about who bother to report or report first.

Anyway, on topic: after SB changes there is zero reason to not use your AoE rotation, in most cases is even simplier than the single target one.