Level 80s who single target groups of mobs

[Awha]

The all know the crown means nothing aniway. It's not really hard to get if you have the time.

Many players will be hostile but doing the same thing won't help. And if you can't help him, well vote kick or leave tbh. Leaving without saying anything is fine too (better than just getting angry) but it won't help a lot.

This is exactly what i want to say: if you guive advice, getting passive-agressive won't help. If you get angry it's okay but doing it right as the start is a bad move, only players with the good mental state will respond to it and make an effort.



As someone who had a lot of anxiety when i started the game : you can enjoy tanking but dislike how other players react to poor performance. That's why some players keep trying in the hope of enjoying it : " i hope thoose guys won't get salty ". The problem is : some of them don't try to get better and/or are not encouraged to get better. " Do what i want or else i'll kick you/leave/blacklist you/make you feel bad " many players fear that and won't respond to that in a good manner. It took me time to adjust, i'm still doing it today tbh (not as much but it's still there sometimes).
When i started the game i was one thoose guys who were struggling in nm content (started in stormblood), right now i'm progging O12S. Learning tanking what a bit painful but i have no regrets. I'm sure a lot of players had a similar experience. Enjoying something that is painful is not that weird.

What you saying misses the point I was trying to making. I did not mean to imply that enjoying something that is painful is not weird, what I find weird is finding enjoyment out of doing the thing one enjoys poorly is weird. I know the feeling I got called out in WoW when I started for being a garbage tier player, and that opened up my eyes and after one expansion of improving I was able to join and be part of a first server kill group. The part that baffles me is when people claim they enjoy something but are okay with doing it poorly because it is "fun" run through the tape for things that you enjoy, strive to be better. Especially when said hobby involves interacting with others.

[SturmChurro]

The problem with this game is that mediocrity is praised, and catered to. If something is too hard they nerf it. They are the community destroying this game, destroying all sense of difficulty in general content, and pushing for the game to be made fully into a pseudo single-player game. You want level 80's to aoe? Yeah right. You better not ask them to do AOE either, oh no. That is, apparently, compelling a playstyle, you do that you are breaking the TOS. That's the fact of the matter, and it will only become more prevalent as time goes on.

[Awha]

The problem with this game is that mediocrity is praised, and catered to. If something is too hard they nerf it. They are the community destroying this game, destroying all sense of difficulty in general content, and pushing for the game to be made fully into a pseudo single-player game. You want level 80's to aoe? Yeah right. You better not ask them to do AOE either, oh no. That is, apparently, compelling a playstyle, you do that you are breaking the TOS. That's the fact of the matter, and it will only become more prevalent as time goes on.

I agree and that is why I think players should use the vote kick feature more yet the game and community seem against such things. Just recently on our servers NN, someone was silently kicked from their group and they mentioned in NN they were removed. When I started to ask questions as to why they thought they were removed they mentioned that they had "tankxiety" as a level 54 tank, I mentioned they should take a pill for that NN overall got pissy with me and told me I was being rude. Cause apparently doing single pulls as a level 54 is still considered standard and okay cause they may get anxious. When questioned as to why would they play a role that makes them anxious they said cause they enjoy it. Which baffles me, if one enjoys something shouldn't they strive to do it well. Who wants to enjoy doing something poorly.

[Mahoukenshi]

I agree and that is why I think players should use the vote kick feature more yet the game and community seem against such things. Just recently on our servers NN, someone was silently kicked from their group and they mentioned in NN they were removed. When I started to ask questions as to why they thought they were removed they mentioned that they had "tankxiety" as a level 54 tank, I mentioned they should take a pill for that NN overall got pissy with me and told me I was being rude. Cause apparently doing single pulls as a level 54 is still considered standard and okay cause they may get anxious. When questioned as to why would they play a role that makes them anxious they said cause they enjoy it. Which baffles me, if one enjoys something shouldn't they strive to do it well. Who wants to enjoy doing something poorly.

Single pulling isn't bad play by the game's standard, only by the rushing, "git gut"-crowd. It has become bad standard by the communitie maximum efficiency mindset (and I'm not saying this is by itself a bad thing). But sure, someone with a comment like "take a pill" won't probably understand any of that. You and I don't know if he's playing "bad" out of pure malice hidden behind "tanxiety" just to ruin someone's day or not.

[van_arn]

Single pulling isn't bad play by the game's standard, only by the rushing, "git gut"-crowd. It has become bad standard by the communitie maximum efficiency mindset (and I'm not saying this is by itself a bad thing). But sure, someone with a comment like "take a pill" won't probably understand any of that. You and I don't know if he's playing "bad" out of pure malice hidden behind "tanxiety" just to ruin someone's day or not.

While "take a pill" might not be the best thing to say, keep in mind the community votes people out of dungeons. Playing against the standard means you're going to get votes stacked against you.

I won't bat an eye to click "yes" on voting to remove a single-pulling tank at 80, but in the 50s I might consider finding out if the single-pulling tank knows what buttons are.

I'm not alone.

Learn to play both ways, because the people you're matched with will determine if what you're doing is acceptable.

[MilkieTea]

I agree and that is why I think players should use the vote kick feature more yet the game and community seem against such things. Just recently on our servers NN, someone was silently kicked from their group and they mentioned in NN they were removed. When I started to ask questions as to why they thought they were removed they mentioned that they had "tankxiety" as a level 54 tank, I mentioned they should take a pill for that NN overall got pissy with me and told me I was being rude. Cause apparently doing single pulls as a level 54 is still considered standard and okay cause they may get anxious. When questioned as to why would they play a role that makes them anxious they said cause they enjoy it. Which baffles me, if one enjoys something shouldn't they strive to do it well. Who wants to enjoy doing something poorly.

At level 50 something it's entirely possible to have only done maybe 6 dngns TOTAL. Source: Literally my PLD. I get massive tanxiety entering into dungeons because having only participated in like 6 total, I still don't have a proper rotation, I may not know the dngn well enough to pull more than 3-6 mobs at a time, and there's a massive expectation to be "the best" as a tank. Also telling someone to "take a pill" is considered rude. It might not seem so to you, you might have the most compassionate of intentions, but it is. Tanxiety isn't an anxiety disorder, it's not something you just take meds for and voila, you're better - it's a normal response to doing something new that you *want* to enjoy and that you don't want to be seen as a *failure* by others.

[van_arn]

At level 50 something it's entirely possible to have only done maybe 6 dngns TOTAL. Source: Literally my PLD. I get massive tanxiety entering into dungeons because having only participated in like 6 total, I still don't have a proper rotation, I may not know the dngn well enough to pull more than 3-6 mobs at a time, and there's a massive expectation to be "the best" as a tank. Also telling someone to "take a pill" is considered rude. It might not seem so to you, you might have the most compassionate of intentions, but it is. Tanxiety isn't an anxiety disorder, it's not something you just take meds for and voila, you're better - it's a normal response to doing something new that you *want* to enjoy and that you don't want to be seen as a *failure* by others.

Tankxiety is only caused by inexperienced tanks not realizing they're the least important role in normal. Once the tank comes to realize this, everything falls into place.

[MilkieTea]

Tankxiety is only caused by inexperienced tanks not realizing they're the least important role in normal. Once the tank comes to realize this, everything falls into place.

Mine moreso is caused by experiences I've had as DPS watching others rail on tanks for minute mistakes. Going into the role like that, that's what I've seen and what I've come to expect - so there's a level of fear of failure. You may be the least important role but you're also almost always the reason for a wipe, even when you aren't, in my experience.

There's no need for tankxiety. Even if someone has 0 parctice. Just know your skills (you should read your tooltips from new skills you get). Don't use your deff CDs all at once and remeber that arm's lenght and reprisal are deff-cds too. Keep your gear up to date. The tanks have a single and an aoe rotation. All other stuff is dmg optimization. Don't be shy pulling wall to wall. If it fails - that's not the end of the world. Maybe check if the healer and DPS are aoeing if you're running out of CDs. You can communicate. If you warn your healer that you're just learning, they will maybe babysit you more.

Not using AOE skills is bad in my opinion. Even more if they are on someones hotbar and are just not used. But that's the thing in reading tooltips. Sure, they can be confusing. But if the person really cares, they would ask or check the internet. There are so many guides out there. Uuuhm ok, we're talking about lvl 80 characters. Uuuhhmmm maybe they really just don't care.

I'm just biting the bullet and go through the dungeon. If it was really bad, I'll blacklist the person. If I'm in a good mood, I'll try to teach or give some tips. But mostly I'm trying to give my best to speed the things up.

I have a macro to let everyone know I'm still learning how to tank. It's been vital in letting others know what to expect from me - not a lot of big pulls and maybe a bit more mistakes, but letting them know has made things go a lot more smoothly. I've still had the one out of line comment - along the lines of "If you're not comfortable tanking at all then don't tank at all." (Which completely negates the point of using small low level dungeons to learn?)

But tanxiety is still going to be there ahah, because of my experience as DPS in roulettes watching tanks get railroaded for tiny mistakes that don't even set the group back. (happens to healers too, which is why I've also got healer anxiety).

Also I mentioned lvl 50 bc person I quoted mentioned lvl 50, otherwise I wouldn't have even piped up LMAO.

[technole]

The best argument for not single pulling in ShB is the fact that you can pull ahead and go wall to wall with trusts, Thancred never gives you drama for it unlike some random DF tank that doesn't know what they are doing. Facts are facts.