Why are there pixies, etc. on the First but not the Source?

[Enkidoh]

One Word: Beavers.

And Yes THOSE are on the source.

Indeed - a beaver appears inexplicably in an Old Sharlayan quest and, the Sharlayan researcher studying it is perplexed about it (it's given no explanation as to where it came from).

And it appears the mystery is further deepened when it's shown that the Ancients, once again, had something to do with it, as a pixie appears during a certain sidequest later on in Elpis, with the bewildered Ancient researcher assigned to it having no idea who created it or where it came from, suggesting a lack of accompanyning paperwork of it's concept.

And it even turns into a beaver too, that the WoL immediately realizes, and the even more incredulous researcher basically throws in the towel and says in defeat "Now let us never speak of this again," so it's clear the Ancients just... swept it under the rug, leaving the mystery ultimately unsolved.

So, once again... "something something Ancients" are the cause.

[dragoelete]

i think it does say where it came from though its a bit vague. i cant rem when but on the first visit to the labyrinth when you got to the first aetheryte following the story theres a part where you can find soem students standing next to a box. if you talk to them they say they found an "odd creature" and brought it in to be studied. i think thats the beaver.

[Calysto]

From what I remember, Moogles in XIV are "spirits" ; Pixies and other fae seems to fit that description too.
Syplh are "biological entities", so there is probably no relation between the two.

We can sefely assume that the Concept of Pixies came from the unsundered world, but now we have a problem :
Pixies on the first (along with fuath) come from the "souls of dead" so Dynamis is involved to a degree and that was clearly improbable on unsundered aetheris.

We do now know the how long passed between Elpis and the sundering, and we do not know if the concept was ever approved.
One possibility is that it never was approved and only got released on the first because someone recreated Amaurot where the approval was made, from there "Life, Uh, Finds a Way" ?

As for Beavers, my theory is that the guy that made the pixies concept copied the beavers concept as a base. The fact they tells you to keep quiet about it may be because they are blatantly reusing code, and not even doing a good job at it.

Also note that Feo can come and go freely between the source and the first, if there was a "source's Titania" she probably couldn't.

On another note, unlike RPR and Voidsents, SCH's Fairies are completely unacknowledged in any Pixies-related content, so while one of the "closest" in the source they are probably unrelated.

[Iscah]

We can sefely assume that the Concept of Pixies came from the unsundered world, but now we have a problem :
Pixies on the first (along with fuath) come from the "souls of dead" so Dynamis is involved to a degree and that was clearly improbable on unsundered aetheris.

Souls are aether. Dynamis is influenced by emotions but is not the actual substance that things are made from.

[Calysto]

Souls are aether. Dynamis is influenced by emotions but is not the actual substance that things are made from.

Right, sorry. what I meant that Dynamis would be involved in this case because the kind of people or cause of death influence the Fae entity. (unless there i a spell that dictate some kind of "reincarnation rules" on the zone)

[dragoelete]

Right, sorry. what I meant that Dynamis would be involved in this case because the kind of people or cause of death influence the Fae entity. (unless there i a spell that dictate some kind of "reincarnation rules" on the zone)

in the case of the fuath it would still likely have nothing to do with dynamis. fuath are those who died by drowning therefore the aether in the water ended up influencing there soul. pixies its somewhat possible but theres prolly some other explanation somewhere cause dynamis couldnt get into the world enough to cause influence like that till after zod.

[sidurgu-12]

Indeed - a beaver appears inexplicably in an Old Sharlayan quest and, the Sharlayan researcher studying it is perplexed about it (it's given no explanation as to where it came from).

And it appears the mystery is further deepened when it's shown that the Ancients, once again, had something to do with it, as a pixie appears during a certain sidequest later on in Elpis, with the bewildered Ancient researcher assigned to it having no idea who created it or where it came from, suggesting a lack of accompanyning paperwork of it's concept.

And it even turns into a beaver too, that the WoL immediately realizes, and the even more incredulous researcher basically throws in the towel and says in defeat "Now let us never speak of this again," so it's clear the Ancients just... swept it under the rug, leaving the mystery ultimately unsolved.

So, once again... "something something Ancients" are the cause.

It kinda works here since the whole thing is off the wall but... Im getting tired of "because ancients" lol.

[Iscah]

And it appears the mystery is further deepened when it's shown that the Ancients, once again, had something to do with it, as a pixie appears during a certain sidequest later on in Elpis, with the bewildered Ancient researcher assigned to it having no idea who created it or where it came from, suggesting a lack of accompanyning paperwork of it's concept.

And it even turns into a beaver too, that the WoL immediately realizes, and the even more incredulous researcher basically throws in the towel and says in defeat "Now let us never speak of this again," so it's clear the Ancients just... swept it under the rug, leaving the mystery ultimately unsolved.

So, once again... "something something Ancients" are the cause.

That's not how it goes, unless there was an actual appearance by a pixie that I completely forgot about, but I believe you are getting muddled with The Abyss Stares Back where we learn that the researchers just found the shoebill with no idea where it came from.

The pixies are referenced in Unexplained Mysteries – researcher sends you to find his "nymphai" which he refers to as familiars and there is no hint of a mystery behind their origin. You can only find beavers in the indicated search area, and the researcher seems like he might know why they transformed, but he doesn't explain himself and just tells you never to speak of it.

On a side note, I don't understand why we act quite so traumatised by the beavers. The pixies are terrified of them but we've surely recognised what's happening, and they've never caused us any harm.

[Cleretic]

On a side note, I don't understand why we act quite so traumatised by the beavers. The pixies are terrified of them but we've surely recognised what's happening, and they've never caused us any harm.

I mean, I can give you two answers there, on different sides of the fourth wall.

1. Because it's funny. The WoL has faced down murderous armies, demons, abominable parodies of gods, biblically-accurate angels, unkillable ghost wizards trying to destroy everything they hold dear, and the embodiment of depression and entropy, and yet the thing that gets them to react with revulsion and fear is beavers. (Well, and Rowena, which works on the same principle.)

2. In-universe, because it's unknowable. Yeah, we know that HAPPENS, but we don't know how, we don't know why, it seems harmless to us but we can't honestly be sure. It's something I generally call 'Doctor Who Horror', because it's something Doctor Who does extremely well; it's absolutely family-friendly and nothing clearly and recognizably horrifying is happening, but there's this intensely wrong feeling about it, a much more abstract fear. Sure, it's played as comedy for us (which Doctor Who tends not to do with this stuff), but it's genuinely just unsettlingly unknown to them.

[YianKutku]

I wonder if that's why the Slyphs enjoyed making people dance and enjoy going around using glamors. Think they have the same language on the source?

I have to wonder whether the moogles are actually a type of fae folk as well.

Honestly I've been thinking about this ever since Shadowbringers.

In ARR, it's pretty clear that the game writers were going for "the fae folk" when it comes to first the Sylphs, then the Moogles: playful and cheerful on the surface, but with no sense of the frailty of mortals, or when a game stops becoming fun. A lot of the comments from NPCs warning us about Sylphs and Moogles are along those lines, implying that the Sylphs might have killed people before simply due to "playing around" and "mischief". (I can't recall the exact words, but if not "killed", then certainly "hurt badly".)

However, when we actually meet the Sylphs and the Moogles, they're relatively chill (tempered brethren aside) and quite understanding, and in fact we mortals are the ones who are more threatening to them.

So the Pixies of the First feel like the writers finally getting to show the "fae folk" archetype properly. Which does mean it might be possible that the Sylphs might have learned their alleged mischief-making from ancient proto-Pixies, but had it smoothed over by longstanding interactions with humans.

(I don't know what the deal with Moogles are. They exist on the Source and the First, so they probably have an origin in the Unsundered World.)