Positionals

[SiriusSaltstice]

Take some fresh air. Your mix of passive-aggressiveness and narcisstic behaviour while QQing like a drama queen is getting annoying.

He has a point though.

Mnk was super dumbed down because devs thought ppl didn't like GL upkeep.

Tbh GL falling off because of phase transitions sucked, but it was easy to maintain it otherwise.
They could have gone the BotD route and just make it really hard to fall off.

Now, all mnk has is its positionals. Remove that and its just a stripped bare minimum of a DPS.

I get accessibility is good for an mmo, but sometimes the devs go too far, and make the class so dull that said people won't play it.

[Rymi64]

He has a point though.

Mnk was super dumbed down because devs thought ppl didn't like GL upkeep.

Tbh GL falling off because of phase transitions sucked, but it was easy to maintain it otherwise.
They could have gone the BotD route and just make it really hard to fall off.

Now, all mnk has is its positionals. Remove that and its just a stripped bare minimum of a DPS.

I get accessibility is good for an mmo, but sometimes the devs go too far, and make the class so dull that said people won't play it.

Honestly i think the dev's removed management of GL because once you learned how to maintain it it became a non mechanic since it was actually easy to maintain at max level and even at level 70 and so now are laying the ground work for next expansion that leads to less restrictions when it comes to their abilities

[IruruCece]

Honestly i think the dev's removed management of GL because once you learned how to maintain it it became a non mechanic since it was actually easy to maintain at max level and even at level 70 and so now are laying the ground work for next expansion that leads to less restrictions when it comes to their abilities

It's legitimately hard for me to be excited about whatever supposedly future mechanic Monk is going to get when they didn't know what to do with the mechanic it had for the better part of a decade. The changes to the job from HW to SB to ShB have only been consistent in their inconsistent understanding about what the kit has ever needed.

Hell, for a good chunk of ShB, positionals WEREN'T a concern for Monk, on top of maintaining GL being a non-issue until the boss did something that prevented us from using ANY of the existing tools in the kit to maintain it! It was practically in the state people have been demanding it to be in, and yet despite also being one of the best DPS in the game, it was underplayed and people complained it was still "too hard."

People have said that if GL was part of the identity of the job, then it "wasn't ever interesting," and honestly I cannot understand that mindset in the least. I played Monk from HW, when I came to the game, all the way until ShB, when I dropped the job out of frustration over how little SE seemed care for it. So many other jobs in the game are more or less "feature complete." Monk is not, arguably never has been, and removing something from it is nowhere near exciting, much less a "good start" when said "good start" left the new additions to our kit looking preeeeeeetty sus still.

It's a similar situation to the complaints over positionals in this and other threads they've cropped up in, and the argument is still made in poor faith every single time. If you don't like positionals, there are jobs where they aren't a factor. The absolute worst thing the devs could do to melee DPS right now would be to remove positionals entirely under the "guise" of accessibility. Not every job needs to appeal to every player, especially when the game offers so many options as is.

[Payotz]

I get accessibility is good for an mmo, but sometimes the devs go too far, and make the class so dull that said people won't play it.

True. A lot of the jank that jobs used to have made for some really interesting gameplay options, and a lot of the old systems made it so that there's a lot of little things you can learn about a job while you're playing it.
Sure, GL is a easy to maintain, but so is BoTD, but that didn't result in Dragoon losing BoTD, they built on top of it and made it a core mechanic of the job. Same as Enochian.

And the worse thing is, the community actually figured out a way to actually build on top of it last expansion with TK Mnk, but they only ever implemented the concept officially in PvP(and damn that was fun). They're literally aware that it existed, but they just went "Oh well" and removed it entirely. Why couldn't they just build on top of that? It definitely adds a lot more gameplay depth to Mnk compared to Launch Mnk and current Mnk.

I understand that they removed GL from the job because they wanted to add more things to it blah blah blah. But, I'm not holding my breath for it.
I severely doubt that they'll do anything more complex than ARR Mnk with the way their job design philosophy is.
I'd love to be wrong, but from what the Famitsu interviews imply, they're not going to add another system to Mnk to replace GL. This is the current state of 6.0+ Mnk.

[Kabooa]

True. A lot of the jank that jobs used to have made for some really interesting gameplay options, and a lot of the old systems made it so that there's a lot of little things you can learn about a job while you're playing it.
Sure, GL is a easy to maintain, but so is BoTD, but that didn't result in Dragoon losing BoTD, they built on top of it and made it a core mechanic of the job. Same as Enochian.

I'm going to disagree a bit here. They did kind of remove Breath of the Dragon. The current state is a passive, and the only way to drop it is through the same things that dropped Greased Lightning.

The relationship between Gierskogul and BOTD in HW was, to me, a great dynamic. It's the kind of positive feedback needed in a few of the jobs today, such as TK Monk, like you mentioned. The change in Stormblood is not all that different to what they did to GL in this patch.

Same with Enochian. They basically just made it a button that upgrades AF/UI rather than be its own thing to maintain, and if they're looking to cut space, it would 100% not surprise me that after consolidating BTL/Leylines that Enochian is just baked into AF/UI and removed as a button.