Positionals

[LeonKeyh]

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The issue isn't necessarily that you stated your opinion. The issue is the original post here, and the same people in 2-3 other threads loudly declaring that they hate positionals and asking for them to be removed. There are people on the other side of the coin feeling the need to vehemently defend positionals so that a small joy of the melee DPS isn't stripped out because some people "don't like it." It's especially bad whenever the same people asking for positionals to be removed are saying that they make up less than 1% of total damage during a fight.

I'll admit, I'm pretty new to the game, coming up on 1 year in a couple of months, but it seems like the "high end" players are tired of seeing the skill ceiling continuously pulled down by people who seem like they "just don't feel like trying." The fact of the matter is that IF the math checks out and positionals make up less than 1% of total damage (those numbers are suspect, whenever I went through it seemed like it was more like 4%-8% with SAM on the low end and MNK on the high end, but I'll concede to <1% since I just looked at potencies and "guessed"), then people are asking to lower the skill ceiling a negligible amount.

The great news is, if you "don't feel like" doing positionals, it likely wouldn't matter much at all, especially in dungeons since most of that combat is going to be AE.

That's generally why people are so defensive about it. Positionals give something else to think of in what is ultimately a somewhat simple ability rotation for these classes. People (I) would be worried that removing positionals from melee classes would make melee classes unfulfilling like ranged physical classes.

People who play at a "high skill level" need something to strive for and positionals are a somewhat simple way to give them something to strive for while not punishing the lower skill level people. So, whenever people ask for them to be removed, people get defensive.

[Ryd]

Or at the very, very least, if SE wants to go with positionals yet again, make them interact with the job in an interesting, meaningful and rewarding way. Not a +10 potency or +5 gauge crap.

It should be noted that positionals used to be this way - with all the nice effects on the 1-2-3 chains dependent on hitting whatever positional was attached - but too many players complained for so long that they eventually toned them down into more of a perk than something that you had to nail or your rotation fell apart.

[ItMe]

It should be noted that positionals used to be this way - with all the nice effects on the 1-2-3 chains dependent on hitting whatever positional was attached - but too many players complained for so long that they eventually toned them down into more of a perk than something that you had to nail or your rotation fell apart.

With so many bosses / mini-bosses that just turn to target whoever or launch a mechanic, I'm glad TBH.
Positionals are cool, but random shit fucking up your rotation is not.

[Ralph2449]

Or at the very, very least, if SE wants to go with positionals yet again, make them interact with the job in an interesting, meaningful and rewarding way. Not a +10 potency or +5 gauge crap.

Disagree there, I think SE has reached the perfect balance in terms of positionals exactly because they arent a huge thing

So if you screw them up it isnt a big deal, the world didnt end and you ll still beat the encounter as long as everything else was done decently, this includes the many times you might miss them due to some form of mechanic targeting you. (Which you just know would be the go to excuse if dps was not enough if positionals were a huge thing)

It is a small thing that you can try maximize and improve, this means it is less about tryhard dps increase obsession some have(And would force onto others if it was a huge increase) and more about people who have a personal optimization drive and want that small extra challenge once they are used to their rotations to "perfect" things, so it is more about personal enjoyment rather than a mandatory thing.

[Equitable_Remedy]

*Pulls pin*

Maybe the new melee DPS should have high-risk/high-reward front arc positionals.

*Tosses grenade and hits the deck*

[ItMe]

front arc positionals.

Hahaha that's so wacky.
I'd be down for at least trying that lol

[wereotter]

*Pulls pin*

Maybe the new melee DPS should have high-risk/high-reward front arc positionals.

*Tosses grenade and hits the deck*

Sneak Attack used to be a front positional..... but I never used it. Especially on enemies with larger hit rings, it was more trouble than it was worth to move around to hit it.

[Gruntler]

Sneak Attack used to be a front positional..... but I never used it. Especially on enemies with larger hit rings, it was more trouble than it was worth to move around to hit it.

cause trick attack exists

also the size of the hitring is irrelevant to the ability to do positionals

you can do them inside the hitbox

its small hitboxes that are the real asshole

[wereotter]

cause trick attack exists

also the size of the hitring is irrelevant to the ability to do positionals

you can do them inside the hitbox

its small hitboxes that are the real asshole

Even when Trick Attack was on cooldown, though, it still wasn't worth the time and trouble to use Suiton to Sneack Attack back when it was a skill.

[IruruCece]

Sneak Attack used to be a front positional..... but I never used it. Especially on enemies with larger hit rings, it was more trouble than it was worth to move around to hit it.

Did you consider moving through the mob