Please adjust Cross World trading and put higher restrictions on it

[Lecru]

Now now. Before you get upset with this. Please read and understand.

Since the implementation of the Firmament and how easy it is to level DoH/DoL now. There has been a HUGE influx in people posting on the boards. It was the be expected, as they wanted Firmament to help people get into this aspect of the game easier. Imo, it was already pretty straight forward. It just took time and nobody was willing to put any into it. At least those that were lazy, which again, is my opinion. With Firmament, people saw it was overly easy to put minimal effort in and sky rocket their classes. That's fine! All well and good. Which has lead to many new people on the boards, for better or worse (I'm looking at you, person who undercuts by entirely way too much because you're new to working the market).

Now you may be wondering where the CWT comes into play. Well. Firmament was the first step to tanking everyone's boards. But now, and I say now very loosely as it's been a problem for quite a few months now, you have people who are abusing this for tanking markets. If you were to go into your boards now, or you're the type of person who has already taken notice due to you working the boards already, you'll have noticed something. There are quite a few people who have bought and boosted many a retainer on worlds they DO NOT reside on, simply to make a quick gil and tank that market. I have personally spoken to somebody who has said this outright. "lol This isn't my home world. This is my alt that I use to mule goods. I don't care how bad the market gets here because it doesn't effect my server at all. Sorry". I cannot name them, but this is a direct quote from them.

Further, I have also looked into some of the regular names who do this. Noticing all new retainer names constantly showing up but the same person on the crafted name. Upon looking them up or going and finding them, some of them do in fact third party/bot craft and gather without ever logging out. This isn't right nor is it fair. Imo Cross World market crashing due to trading in this fashion needs to be limited in some way/shape/form.

!) The most extreme - Take out CWT. It would hurt those that just give items to friends or whatever, but it would help normalize the marketboards and stop these scummy practices.

2) Put a level limit on the sales of items. These people would have to have a max of 80 (or current level) with a retainer of the same level the item being sold is of. So if, in example, one was to put a Chili Crab meal up for sale, that retainer would have to be level 80. Sure, they could purchase a level skip for the retainer. But they'd have to do it on each and every retainer on their alt account for that world. Limiting the abuse of this feature due to them not wanting to spend that much money monthly to do so.

[Lecru]

I think option 2 is fair and balanced to allow others to still use the feature. But something has to be done. As far as the botting, i've reported to SE with detailed times on what i've seen and who's been doing it with nothing done to them. I've gone to bed watching somebody crafting only to wake up and see them in the EXACT SAME SPOT doing the same thing, along with others I know. So just a small way to put a dent in those as well.

If you want to add suggestions, please put them below. And hey, if you made it this far. You're a champ. Happy adventuring guys

(I had to cut and paste my end response as a reply. Word limit. My bad)

[Jojoya]

Market issues generated by bots aside since that's something that deserves separate attention...

No.

SE is intentionally moving the markets from world based to data center based. The goal is to stabilize and balance prices across data centers to benefit all players rather than have wild swings in prices from world to world. It would have already happened at the start of this expansion if they hadn't run into technical issues. You need to give up the idea that your world is supposed to remain an isolated market. It's not.

Since the intent is to create a data center market, it doesn't matter where a player places their alts to sell their items.

It's a free market. Players can list their items for whatever price they want. Don't like the price others are setting? Find something else to sell.

Marketboard listings are one of the basic functions of retainers, along with storage. Retainers aren't required to have a class/job to do those things so there can't be a retainer level requirement placed on selling.

Sorry if you're not getting as super rich as you want because competitors are getting more aggressive with their listings. Considering there's very little in the game that requires gil above what the game provides through normal game play, you're not being harmed by low prices. If you were buying up items speculating that you might be able to resell for profit and guessed wrong, you haven't lost anything with real value. If you were buying materials to craft items for sale and guessed wrong about the market for those items, again you haven't lost anything with real value.

[Bacent]

No matter what idea people come up with, bot will always be there to ruin something. I mean you see bots still shouting in the main few towns, meaning people are big enough idiots to do something to get their accounts hijacked.

Bots can power level to 80 in no time flat, so that won't really slow them down either.

[Daniolaut]

I always favor the buyer personally.

So long as the item sells more on the market board (after fees/taxes) than it would a NPC, I consider it a profit.

I have 0 issues selling things to the NPC’s if prices drop too low.

[ItMe]

There are quite a few people who have bought and boosted many a retainer on worlds they DO NOT reside on, simply to make a quick gil and tank that market. I have personally spoken to somebody who has said this outright. "lol This isn't my home world. This is my alt that I use to mule goods. I don't care how bad the market gets here because it doesn't effect my server at all. Sorry". I cannot name them, but this is a direct quote from them.

... wouldn't expanding cross world trading help your point?
If everything is more connected people can't tank one server to enrich themselves on their own.

[Lecru]

... wouldn't expanding cross world trading help your point?
If everything is more connected people can't tank one server to enrich themselves on their own.

Not at all. The Cross World and Firma fast leveling is flooding the market with people trying to make a quick gil and driving prices into the ground. The time it takes to gather mats to make Food (if not taking the market way out and buying it) or even set pieces doesn't justify how absurdly low things are now selling for because of this. Before CWT and Firm, you could craft a few pieces that would sell for 700k a piece. That's not absurd by any means. 2 pieces would be around, say, 1.3 mil on the board. Now, an ENTIRE crafted set on the board costs 1.4mil on my server. That's 11 pieces of HQ gear that you have to sit and make the sub mats for while popping a food as well and taking the time to craft each one. But because those two elements are there, the market is just flooded with people who are out for a quick gil, as stated before, and drive things into the dirt because they are unaware of how to work the board. There's no tutorial for market boarding. I know somebody who crafts Tinctures and would sell them for around 7k~~ish. These require tome mats per craft. 2 per in fact. Of which i'm sure you're aware of, but for those that don't. Which requires either time spent grinding or gil spent for the mats. Plus, again, gil spent for the crafting food or time spent gathering all the materials. Etc. Those very same tinctures have gone down to 3k because of people spamming this. That's not even worth the mats to make your food to craft it. At least getting rid of CWT woudl alleviate SOME of this market spam by people not even on your server making an alt, spending 30 minutes getting it to 15 only to choke your world up with their product.

[Seraphor]

Their intention is to make datacenter wide markets, breaking down barriers, not putting them up.
So this is completely antithesis to their plans.

Individual servers markets crash because they're separate.
Prices fluctuate more because of the fewer number of items listed on a server.
A datacenter wide market would be more stable, more fair.
Cross-world trading is a first step towards that, and allows other servers to help regulate the less stable servers.

[Canadane]

(I had to cut and paste my end response as a reply. Word limit. My bad)

Edit your post and you no longer have a (reasonably attainable) character limit.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Cross-world trading is a first step towards that, and allows other servers to help regulate the less stable servers.

It also allows smaller servers to have much more sane prices for rare and harder to craft but widely needed items. During ARR the crafted items needed for relics often went for 100k+ on smaller servers while being ~10k on larger servers.