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    Ftail's Avatar
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    Lilac Blackthorne
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    Heal more instead of dpsing

    I’m so sick and tired of the fools who tell to me to, “Heal more instead of dpsing”. If I let the tank die in a leveling dungeon, fine, feel free to to tell me that. When I use benediction when the tank is at 20%-30% hp, that is planned, not panicked. When I’m in a leveling dungeon and I let the tank drop to 40%-50% hp to combine an afflatus spell with an OGCD and get the tank back to full that is not me panicking. If the tank spams clemency or a red mage vecure, because they don’t want him near 50% hp, I’m still going to wait for the tank to drop down to about 20%-30% to bene him. That’s the tanks and dps’s choice to not trust their healer. Wait until someone dies to start berating the healer, seriously.


    Ironically a physical ranged DPS set me off and not a tank or a red mage. Props to the tank who pm'd me afterwards to tell me he appreciated me after I left. Sorry for the thread, I just really needed to rant.
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    Last edited by Ftail; 01-12-2021 at 12:50 AM.

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    SiriusSaltstice's Avatar
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    Sirius Vagus
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    How dare you know your kit well to dish out damage while being able to keep an eye on hp to give efficiently timed heals.
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    Stop bad.

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    Ursa Nightrain
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ftail View Post
    I’m so sick and tired of the fools who tell to me to, “Heal more instead of dpsing”. If I let the tank die in a leveling dungeon, fine, feel free to to tell me that. When I use benediction when the tank is at 20%-30% hp, that is planned, not panicked. When I’m in a leveling dungeon and I let the tank drop to 40%-50% hp to combine an afflatus spell with an OGCD and get the tank back to full that is not me panicking. If the tank spams clemency or a red mage vecure, because they don’t want him near 50% hp, I’m still going to wait for the tank to drop down to about 20%-30% to bene him. That’s the tanks and dps’s choice to not trust their healer. Wait until someone dies to start berating the healer, seriously.


    Ironically a physical ranged DPS set me off and not a tank or a red mage. Props to the tank who pm'd me afterwards to tell me he appreciated me after I left. Sorry for the thread, I just really needed to rant.
    For a while, at least last expac--didn't really see this in ShB as much, many healers prioritized damage over healing because that was basically the expectation. I had quite a few tanks ask me flat out (as healer) to please keep them healed and they were grateful for the assurance that I prioritized healing over damage. As a dps, I can't tell you how many times an over-pull in a leveling dungeon ended in a wipe. A lot of people get nervous if they see the tank low or see-sawing--whether you have control over the situation or not.

    However if no one died then there's really no cause for complaint. Their nervousness is not your problem but I would have probably thrown them a heal as rdm as well because low tanks in leveling dungeons especially are just asking for a wipe.
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    Lysithea Crestwind
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    Sophia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    The worst is when ranged phys dps(almost always the mch) constantly stand faaar outside the group and the healing aoes, and complain when they die to raid wides.

    I've actually developed a bit of a bias against ranged because of it, i feel like alot of people flock to the role thinking they can have less responsibility because they have no positionals or cast times. And for some reason they think they don't need to position themselves properly for heals and use their mitigation to help out the healers.

    I even had a mch static member in E3s, who sat in melee spot because we had 3 ranged, and forced our poor BLM to do all the moving for black smokers, no joke.
    And of course he complained in E4S because he kept dying due to not being topped off after he stood away from my earthly stars and our sch soils.

    It got so bad that i just stopped bothering to beg him to move in and just started rescuing him lol
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    If it's a random group, they don't know you and what you can do. We show them that by the actions we take and by showing that we can be depended upon. You're showing that you don't have their back and that they have something to be nervous about.

    Take your ego out of the equation and just heal them.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    If it's a random group, they don't know you and what you can do. We show them that by the actions we take and by showing that we can be depended upon.
    ^ This.
    Honestly, if you can pull off an efficient healing while dishing out DPS, that is wonderful. But randoms are simply...randoms. And sometimes they don't quite understand how powerful healer's kits & pushover the incoming damage in some dungeons. Having never played any healer/tank classes may also explain their anxiety.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_ View Post
    It got so bad that i just stopped bothering to beg him to move in and just started rescuing him lol
    One of the merits of playing with premade groups is how easy mistakes like this to be fixed by... a simple communication.
    If it's with randoms, 1-3 first tries (i.e. single target heal them or with [Rescue]) are usually my limit before I switch to "You ain't coming here? No heals for you >:U".
    One would say that a simple communication with randoms may also fix the problem. While that might be true, personally I'd not do that to avoid the possible 'you don't tell me what to do!'-attitude.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 01-14-2021 at 06:33 PM.

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    Saturn Vitrell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ftail View Post


    Ironically a physical ranged DPS set me off and not a tank or a red mage. Props to the tank who pm'd me afterwards to tell me he appreciated me after I left. Sorry for the thread, I just really needed to rant.
    Yes yes. We tanks tend to not care as long as you're keeping us alive above all else, we even will work with you in giving you dps time via CDs. I mean that's the whole point of them.
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    Ya Ni
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    Any role say that to me, they lost their healer for that dungeon.
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    Samuel Wolcott
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    Leviathan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Yep, screw people like that. I've been lucky enough to only get people who use Clemency and Vercure but that's still infuriating, I'd imagine someone going off on you or anyone else for doing what you did would make the healer enraged as that is what you are supposed to do with 5.0 healers, minimize heals and maximize dps, you can literally go 80 dungeons without using a single afflatus spell as WHM. Leaving was perfectly justified and understandable.
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    As much as I prefer healing I agree with the OP. Need to spice up them cures. haha
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