Option to wear armour sets from different classes as Glamour for other classes

[RoyalDecree]

Heard SE devs actually listen to feedback given by the players so I'm making this post. Figured it would be neat if they allowed us to use our armour sets that are class locked as glamour for our other classes. The new fending coat from the "Puppet's Bunker" raid that is locked to tanks currently looks great and I would love to be able to wear that same coat on my other classes without being restricted to it just because the class is not a tank.

[Waterscape]

"Heard SE devs actually listen to feedback given by the players" Yeah sometime they listen a bit too much.

[StriderShinryu]

I agree. While I get, and actually sort of agree with, their original concept of having classes wearing classic styles of armour we've moved so far away from that so long ago that it doesn't hold water anymore. We can have tanks in bikinis, healers in chocobo costumes and everyone looking like 2B. The days of "tanks need to look like they're wearing armour and healers should be in robes!" are so far in the past they're not even in the rear view mirror any more.

[ReiMakoto]

This question has been asked to the Devs before and they're always stupidly obtuse about it, saying they want to "preserve class fantasy" or "it would look strange having a white mage use a warrior axe" (actual response despite no one asking for weapons to be glamed like that). The real reason they don't do this is likely simple, if they made glams cross role, they wouldnt be able to repackage gear models but with different class restrictions as loot.

[MariaArvana]

This question has been asked to the Devs before and they're always stupidly obtuse about it, saying they want to "preserve class fantasy" or "it would look strange having a white mage use a warrior axe" (actual response despite no one asking for weapons to be glamed like that). The real reason they don't do this is likely simple, if they made glams cross role, they wouldnt be able to repackage gear models but with different class restrictions as loot.

The actual reality of why they don't do it is because they'd have to effectively re-design how the glamour system even works on the coding front. When you 'glamour' something, the code is basically assuming you've 'equipped' the piece, which is where the issue starts. Because its using the equip system, the coding restrictions on what job can equip what gear kick in. For them to make any piece glamorable by any other job, they'd have to re-code the glamour system and figure out a system that de-couples it from the equip system's coding; since making any piece glamourable by any other job in the current coding system would literally mean changing every piece to <all classes> for the equip requirement, which introduces balancing issues (where you'd want to equip as much tank gear as possible due to increased defense.)

Even if they managed to do so, it wouldn't prevent them from re-using assets. Take a look at the Anamesis gear being re-tools of the Shire gear of the same job type the shire gear was for without job mixing. Also the forgiven's gear all being re-used from World of Darkness gear of the same job type as before without job mixing. It ain't an issue of using it as an excuse to re-use gear; its literally because they don't have the time to re-tool the glamour system in their short dev patch windows, or don't see it as an issue.

'white mages using axes' is basically the usual non-technical answer they give to any technical question, since half the terminology they'd have to use to explain why its not going to happen at the current time would fly over 90% of the playerbase's heads.

[Iscah]

Even if they managed to do so, it wouldn't prevent them from re-using assets. Take a look at the Anamesis gear being re-tools of the Shire gear of the same job type the shire gear was for without job mixing. Also the forgiven's gear all being re-used from World of Darkness gear of the same job type as before without job mixing. It ain't an issue of using it as an excuse to re-use gear; its literally because they don't have the time to re-tool the glamour system in their short dev patch windows, or don't see it as an issue.

Yeah, if it was just about recycling gear into different classes, I would expect them to be shuffling everything. Instead, they seem to stick to their class lines when the gear is themed after classes - tanks in armour, DPS in lightweight gear, mages in robes - and only shuffle around where all the sets are more general.

Still you get oddities like the Duelist/Thief/Plague Doctor sets shuffled into the Valkyrie sets, but instead of giving tanks the plague doctor coats they got an armour design from elsewhere. Or a few other lightweight gear sets where the design has now made it to every mage and physical DPS but not to tanks.

There's recycling going on, but also signs that they want to maintain some degree of class boundaries - for levelling gear, at least.

[Floortank]

Heard SE devs actually listen to feedback given by the players so I'm making this post. Figured it would be neat if they allowed us to use our armour sets that are class locked as glamour for our other classes. The new fending coat from the "Puppet's Bunker" raid that is locked to tanks currently looks great and I would love to be able to wear that same coat on my other classes without being restricted to it just because the class is not a tank.

You should play a Job if you want to look like that Job. It depreciates the value of Job(s) to move their unique glamours over to other Jobs, and makes it less of a draw to play any specific Job. This is not a hard concept to understand. They're not going to devalue the Jobs and make them less interesting.

Also, we don't need more incentive for terrible players queuing as tank, going OT, not picking up hate when MT dies, not picking up adds in add phase, randomly provoking and holding the boss in places that cause wipes, etc., which is what will happen if you reward DPS for queuing up once or twice to ransack a duty for tank loot.

Overall, a shortsighted idea, and a request always made by people who can't think past what they want and consider the overall harm it will cause.

[Aurida]

You should play a Job if you want to look like that Job. It depreciates the value of Job(s) to move their unique glamours over to other Jobs, and makes it less of a draw to play any specific Job. This is not a hard concept to understand. They're not going to devalue the Jobs and make them less interesting.

They sure aren't, not by doing this. An alarmingly low amount of players use armor that 'looks like a job.' I'd like the AF sets to also be unlocked on the provision that you are of the class level to wear them, but nothing is being 'devalued' because someone likes the look of slightly different armor from a dungeon or wants to wear a not-dress on their healer.

Also, we don't need more incentive for terrible players queuing as tank, going OT, not picking up hate when MT dies, not picking up adds in add phase, randomly provoking and holding the boss in places that cause wipes, etc., which is what will happen if you reward DPS for queuing up once or twice to ransack a duty for tank loot.

This already happens. It's not going to happen more because people are somehow pressed to roll 'need' over 'greed' for a glamour item.

Overall, a shortsighted idea, and a request always made by people who can't think past what they want and consider the overall harm it will cause.

What WAS short-sighted was the devs deciding to make it so that you can't freely glamour any item for which you have a job that can wear it as equipment. FF11 worked like that. FF14 should have worked like that the entire time. I highly doubt that if it had been the way that it worked the entire time that you'd see a rash of posts on the official forums saying 'players wearing the PLD glamour are ruining the game,' because it has historically not been a problem in the least.

Great suggestion, OP. Hopefully this is the year they listen to it

[LaylaTsarra]

You should play a Job if you want to look like that Job. It depreciates the value of Job(s) to move their unique glamours over to other Jobs, and makes it less of a draw to play any specific Job. This is not a hard concept to understand. They're not going to devalue the Jobs and make them less interesting.

Thank you totally agree and I'm sure the developers agree with this.

[ErryK]

You should play a Job if you want to look like that Job. It depreciates the value of Job(s) to move their unique glamours over to other Jobs, and makes it less of a draw to play any specific Job.

Overall, a shortsighted idea, and a request always made by people who can't think past what they want and consider the overall harm it will cause.

Well, first of all, Striking and Maiming share the exact same coat with different sleeves as is...

Second, what class fantasy? There's not a single plate of armor on that coat to begin with...

Thirdly, we've seen what they do in order to release glamour for all jobs, they'll just make a new Lv. 1 glamour either by completing a duty or by crafting. You are blowing this way out of proportion.