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    MariaArvana's Avatar
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    You realize that 230,000 concurrent connections quote was said in 2013 right? I really don't understand your fascination of bringing long-dead, outdated things up to try and prove your points when plenty of evidence to the contrary exists (*cough* SHB launch being near perfect despite having well over a million players *cough*)

    7 years in which they have physically moved the servers in two regions (NA & EU) to bigger centers, have done countless backend updates, and even directly mentioned adding more server hardware in the announcement post when they mentioned adding wards 22-24 right? Considering the unofficial census put SHB active characters at well over a million during the beginning of the expansion and the giant rush of players SHB day 1, 230,000 would be an insane lowball for what they'd need.

    Countless others in this thread have explained how the login system queue works. The worlds aren't actually 'full'. The login servers are simply designed to only let x amount of players through the queue every y minutes, and anymore than that get put into the queue. You can quite easily see this the moment a new patch goes live and there's somehow a 4000 player queue despite the servers being up for 30s that steadily decreases by exactly 50 people each time. I somehow don't think 50 people are logging in then immediately logging out every 2 minutes. Believing the login server message indicates any form of congestion is dedicating your brain power to something that is literally a non-issue.

    You're worrying over nothing. The SHB launch is literally the only thing you need to look at to determine if an issue might arise in 6.0. (Spoiler: SHB launch was near-perfect.) You should find something more productive to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaArvana View Post
    You realize that 230,000 concurrent connections quote was said in 2013 right? I really don't understand your fascination of bringing long-dead, outdated things up to try and prove your points when plenty of evidence to the contrary exists (*cough* SHB launch being near perfect despite having well over a million players *cough*)

    7 years in which they have physically moved the servers in two regions (NA & EU) to bigger centers, have done countless backend updates, and even directly mentioned adding more server hardware in the announcement post when they mentioned adding wards 22-24 right? Considering the unofficial census put SHB active characters at well over a million during the beginning of the expansion and the giant rush of players SHB day 1, 230,000 would be an insane lowball for what they'd need.

    Countless others in this thread have explained how the login system queue works. The worlds aren't actually 'full'. The login servers are simply designed to only let x amount of players through the queue every y minutes, and anymore than that get put into the queue. You can quite easily see this the moment a new patch goes live and there's somehow a 4000 player queue despite the servers being up for 30s that steadily decreases by exactly 50 people each time. I somehow don't think 50 people are logging in then immediately logging out every 2 minutes. Believing the login server message indicates any form of congestion is dedicating your brain power to something that is literally a non-issue.

    You're worrying over nothing. The SHB launch is literally the only thing you need to look at to determine if an issue might arise in 6.0. (Spoiler: SHB launch was near-perfect.) You should find something more productive to worry about.
    Next to that, a "World" doesn't usually run on 1 specific server but is being spread out over multiple servers. For instance, the "Field" (open world areas) and the "Duty instance" are located on different servers, which each their own "concurrent connection limit". In order to alleviate the issue in Stormblood, they added multiple "field instances" where they could spread out players across those different instances in areas where they would expect the players would "flock" to.

    Once players start spreading out all over the world / content, the "field instances" will be disabled again and everyone will be placed in the same instance of that specific area. The "Raubann Extreme" issue was caused by a lot of people trying to gain access the to the "Single player story duty", which was a separate instance (like the dungeons, trials, etc). The duty server couldn't handle that at that time.

    They've learned from that mistake, so i don't expect them to repeat the issue, like others have mentioned in the thread.

    The "World is full"-message is also more of a general message, stating that a lot of people are trying to enter the world at the same time, so they are placed in a queue. Using a term like "World is full" is easier to understand then "The login server has reached the concurrent connection limit. Please wait."

    Granted using a sentence like "World is full" might give the impression that you cannot log in at all and that is should be used for action like creating a new character on that particular world. If anything they could change it to "There seems to be a disturbance in the Aether, which appeared like as a crowded gate to the World. Souls waiting at the gate: x", but i guess that nobody wants to see a long sentence each time they are placed in a login queue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldora View Post
    Granted using a sentence like "World is full" might give the impression that you cannot log in at all and that is should be used for action like creating a new character on that particular world. If anything they could change it to "There seems to be a disturbance in the Aether, which appeared like as a crowded gate to the World. Souls waiting at the gate: x", but i guess that nobody wants to see a long sentence each time they are placed in a login queue.
    "Too many people are attempting to log on. Please be patient! Your place in line: x" seems like something people would be able to both understand and also something that wouldnt be too long to read.
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    "Too many people are attempting to log on. Please be patient! Your place in line: x" seems like something people would be able to both understand and also something that wouldnt be too long to read.
    They could always just put it as:

    Login server full, your're number X in queue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    They could always just put it as:

    Login server full, your're number X in queue
    I think that might present a similar misunderstanding to OPs misunderstanding. But i personally like this suggestion a bit more than my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

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    Even YoshiP addressed the design issue literally after Stormblood early access, that's why the OP scare tactics are so far off the cliff.

    Solo instances require an instance server, it doesn't matter that you are logged into Balmung. The fight took place on another server that's requested when you queue up for those things that require you to queue a party or drop everyone and solo. So you have a solo bottleneck if people are slow or have to repeat it, and you know that happened as well.

    With SHb your first instances were dungeons early on for the story, since you can always get a a light party moving through the paces quicker. Plus we got trusts so no one really had to wait to do a dungeon, ever. That was a huge leap forward.

    Now you don't even need to wait to do a new expert story dungeon anymore too, because of trusts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Raubahn Extreme
    Rauban Extreme was caused by full instance servers and the issue that solo instanced content did abort completely, when instance servers were full.

    Somewhere before Shadowbringers they silently added a queue system for solo instance content, which solves the issue we had with Rauban in 4.0.
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