Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

[MilkieTea]

As an artist, restriction does not lead to a more creative outcome, just more creative solutions to get TO the outcome. Also...

You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive.

What is wrong with allowing users the freedom to create something they like? This is worded as though there's something wrong with it, or that by giving users the freedom to create what they want, that it inherently will lack creativity.

Also, who cares if half the playerbase suddenly starts glamming the Viera lingerie set? If that's what they want to do let them

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(They need no other reason than personally liking it).

You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive.

(They need no other reason than personally liking it).

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[reivaxe]

As an artist, restriction does not lead to a more creative outcome, just more creative solutions to get TO the outcome.

" Miles Davis wrote an entire album, Kind of Blue, without a single chord. Artist Piet Mondrian midwifed Modernism by restricting his paintings to right angles and primary colors. Even Theodore Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss, restrained himself to produce his most memorable works. Dr. Geisel’s advice, “If you’re someone who writes or paints, don’t be afraid to try constraints!”

In Ikebana or the art of Japanese flower arrangement, negative space is considered crucial. It’s this aspect that allows for novel shapes and dimensions which might not otherwise ever become realized. As one Japanophile put it, “In formality there is freedom.” The tech world offers examples too. Consider Twitter’s character limit, the spare, sleek look of an iPod, and Google’s homepage."

If an artist uses Black and white, guess what? That's a constraint that forces them to think differently and lessens their options. Someone allowing them self to use color isn't being more creative just cause they have more options, being forced to work with in limits actually does help people think harder about the tools they have at hand and how best to use them to make something stand out. I mean wow ... this is a Japanese game, I'm sure we all know Anime. Constraints come in all forms, be them time/ money/ manpower. Giving someone zero limits can be detrimental to the creative process.

If you're an artist I'd think you would know that.

What is wrong with allowing users the freedom to create something they like? This is worded as though there's something wrong with it, or that by giving users the freedom to create what they want, that it inherently will lack creativity.

This is the problem with these long spats on this forum.

Person 1- I like restrictions, they push people to be more creative with their glams. I think we should keep them and want even more.

Person 2- Nah uh! How could restrictions lead to more creative thinking for glams! If you can match more things you can be more creative!

Me- Umm, actually, an example of how restrictions promote creative thinking would be this and that. This isn't a meem, it's a thing people actually study that leads to a LOT of the cool ish in our world. Artist do this all the time, restricting their use of color down to a select few to build consistently in branding or building new art forms outta strict restrictions that force them to think more deeply about the options they have at hand. This is what people are talking about. More options =/= more creativity ... what you're really saying is that you want more freedom to make things you like which has nothing to do with the topic of w/e being creative.

You- Imma take this completely outta context cause why not..

lol, don't do that.
If it's your opinion that people would benefit from the freedom to have zero restrictions on a personal enjoyment level then just say that. You don't have to make it seem like the whole notion of "restrictions lead to creativity" is non-sense just cause you want unlimited dress up.
It's ok to want what you want, what you want doesn't always have to invalidate something else.

IMO this game has a very healthy amount of options for players to use for glam, taking away the current constraints on role-gear glam use and race glam will simply result in much of the player base not trying to be as creative with their usage of glam. By not having access to every glam with every job and every race you put people in a position where they have to think and carefully craft out the look they want with the options they have. It's of my opinion that this would frankly devalue the gear and much of the enjoyment in making a glam. To put it simply, all gear would run into the same problem of FoTM LvL1 glams and much of the identity behind designs would be lost.

Also, who cares if half the playerbase suddenly starts glamming the Viera lingerie set? If that's what they want to do let them

If that's your stance then just say it and stand by it lmao, but I'm not sure how a world where half the population dresses in Viera Glam is more "creative use of glam options" in your mind. (That's your example, I used Viera glam as an example before because I KNOW that there would be tons of females of others races that would stop trying to make unique kink glams in favor of just wearing "the best looking one" and that's pretty much the attitude that would effect every glam regardless of it being bun gear or not)
If you don't care then ... don't care. It's fine if you don't care ... idc if you care or not O_o lol

You don't have to care about my stance either tbh. It's like some strange virtue signaling is going on ... like I'm against people having fun or something because I don't want to throw the system in a fire and turn everything into LvL1 race unlocked glam. Oooof

[ItMe]

Reivaxe your whole post was illuminating, but I'm gonna focus on this:

It's of my opinion that this would frankly devalue the gear and much of the enjoyment in making a glam. To put it simply, all gear would run into the same problem of FoTM LvL1 glams and much of the identity behind designs would be lost.

(Emphasis original)
This was super helpful and transformed the way I understood this discussion.
It's not a debate of Yes vs. No.
It's more a discussion between people that enjoy exploring class identity and pushing the limits, and people that don't care as much about that and would instead prefer getting more tools to create their own identity.