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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazama999 View Post
    "Restrictions lead to more creativity"

    Buddy you've been wearing the same glamour for like, 5 years now. Epitome of creativity right there.
    Thanks, glad to be noticed. :D
    But what I said was correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Thanks, glad to be noticed.
    But what I said was correct.
    You're okay to have your opinion, but having more choices also leads to creativity. Restrictions lead to on-the-fly creativity, which is what I believe you're referring to. But they're not meant to be permanent creative endeavors. Also, when people say that, they generally mean it in a problem solving sense, as that's where the idea first took roots. In workplaces where you had very little safety regulations, you had to be creative with how you ensured the safety of your workers. The restriction was not having the proper safety precautions in place, the creativity was making a rope out of blankets for people to climb out the window in case of a fire. Sure, it's creativity, and it's on-the-fly creativity at that, but it's temporary.

    You're halfway correct.
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  3. #103
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    We have to MacGyver our glams.
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazama999 View Post
    "Restrictions lead to more creativity"

    Buddy you've been wearing the same glamour for like, 5 years now. Epitome of creativity right there.
    ... Having the same outfit for 5 years doesn't say anything about their ability to comment on this. Like, yeah ... they keep the same look and most or all of it is lvl1 glam. But it's not like they're in the default starting gear glam, it's at least a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glam and I have legit never seen someone else wear that outfit soooo *shrugs.

    An ACTUAL example of how "Restrictions lead to more creativity" is .... Viera starter gear. Both ways actually.
    I can legit say that 1/4 to 1/6 of Viera I see are just glamming over their gear with their starter gear cause it's basically grade A sexy lingerie. If this wasn't race locked? I'm 100% sure I'd see it faaaar more often than I currently see it. Tons of females of other races would be wearing Viera Starter glam. But ... because it's level 1 glam Viera can just pop it onto any gear they want at any level and not think about it which adds to them looking like a sea of clones as they have the power to put a highly appealing lingerie glam over any and everything they want. If they made the Thighlander Hemp top for everyone I'm sure this underwear for the 2nd least played anything in this game would become hella popular to.

    You can just google the term, it's not made up. Many creatives do find that restrictions force them to think more creatively about how to do w/e they're doing.
    I find that I take far more pride in my Whm and Dnc glams than the "Chocobo performer" glam I made around the Choco-race mask with nothing but lvl1 glams that any job could wear. Sure, it may look unique but it's not a thing that screams anything and I can run into people who have had similar ideas on how to use the mask. My Whm and Dnc glams are all or 90% locked to "hlr/ ranged" and as such I can't keep them when I go Tank or gather/ craft/ Sam.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    ... Having the same outfit for 5 years doesn't say anything about their ability to comment on this. Like, yeah ... they keep the same look and most or all of it is lvl1 glam. But it's not like they're in the default starting gear glam, it's at least a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glam and I have legit never seen someone else wear that outfit soooo *shrugs.
    I think they were more or less pointing out the irony of talking about restrictions prompting creativity while wearing the same glamour for an extended period of time—thereby not being very creative as they have had the same outfit for half a decade—and it also being a glamour that is not restricted and can be equipped by anyone. The only part of the glamour that the least bit unique and “special”, I guess I can say, is the goggles, and they’re an item that was only available in Legacy.

    I’ve also seen people wear that coat before so. If we’re going to go by anecdotes here...I guess mine directly contradicts yours. So which one of us is right here?

    This is why we don’t use anecdotes as solid forms of evidence.


    And I just want to add—I have absolutely nothing against Canadane’s glamour. I think it’s quite nice, and I’ve always liked how their goggles look almost like sunglasses. But just saying.

    An ACTUAL example of how "Restrictions lead to more creativity" is .... Viera starter gear. Both ways actually.
    I can legit say that 1/4 to 1/6 of Viera I see are just glamming over their gear with their starter gear cause it's basically grade A sexy lingerie. If this wasn't race locked? I'm 100% sure I'd see it faaaar more often than I currently see it. Tons of females of other races would be wearing Viera Starter glam. But ... because it's level 1 glam Viera can just pop it onto any gear they want at any level and not think about it which adds to them looking like a sea of clones as they have the power to put a highly appealing lingerie glam over any and everything they want. If they made the Thighlander Hemp top for everyone I'm sure this underwear for the 2nd least played anything in this game would become hella popular to.

    You can just google the term, it's not made up. Many creatives do find that restrictions force them to think more creatively about how to do w/e they're doing.
    I find that I take far more pride in my Whm and Dnc glams than the "Chocobo performer" glam I made around the Choco-race mask with nothing but lvl1 glams that any job could wear. Sure, it may look unique but it's not a thing that screams anything and I can run into people who have had similar ideas on how to use the mask. My Whm and Dnc glams are all or 90% locked to "hlr/ ranged" and as such I can't keep them when I go Tank or gather/ craft/ Sam.
    Why is it that some people in this thread have an obsession with lingerie? Or insinuating that other players who want certain sets unlocked just want to dress their characters provocatively? Like what.

    I personally don’t give two craps about the Highlander hempen set (not my style) or the Viera race gear, and would use neither on any of my characters. I would just prefer to use the Miqo’te hempen top—which is not lingerie; it’s a halter top—on other races because it makes a nice top to pair with certain skirts, and make into a nice, dressy outfit. Like the Far Eastern Beauty’s skirt. By virtue of having more options available, people now have more choices when deciding glamours. They’re able to be more creative. Creativity isn’t just restricted to restrictive parameters.

    I do feel like the argument of role locks is sort of destroyed when the developers use older gear sets as reskins for dungeon or leveling gear. See: Star Velvet gearset from HW for healers/casters being reused as ShB leveling gear for ranged (Brightlinen set). Crafter and Gathering gear from SB has been reskinned into the level 77 tank gear. So...yeah...
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I do feel like the argument of role locks is sort of destroyed when the developers use older gear sets as reskins for dungeon or leveling gear. See: Star Velvet gearset from HW for healers/casters being reused as ShB leveling gear for ranged (Brightlinen set). Crafter and Gathering gear from SB has been reskinned into the level 77 tank gear. So...yeah...
    That varies from set to set. Some of the designs they do seem to regard as generic and they'll shuffle around to different classes so everyone gets a version eventually - and I think this happens where the design isn't specifically for one role. The Star Velvet set is perfect for dancer.

    Other designs don't get passed around, and that seems to happen when they are more role-focused. The Orthodox/Dravanian and Demon/Forgiven sets have appeared three times each now and never get switched around. Mages get the long robes, tanks get the armour.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    I’ve been against removal of restrictions forever.
    I also advocate for MORE racial locked or gender locked gear. As long as each gender or race gets equal amounts we would see an increase in variety when viewing a random sample of a crowd.
    Restrictions on the individual level only leads to more creativity.

    Letting everyone use anything only brings downsides imo
    Downsides such as... *tumbleweed rolls by*

    Not letting everyone use everything on the other hand gives us the downside of repeatedly see the devs ignore the very selfsame rules enforced on us players.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I think they were more or less pointing out the irony of talking about restrictions prompting creativity while wearing the same glamour for an extended period of time—thereby not being very creative as they have had the same outfit for half a decade —and it also being a glamour that is not restricted and can be equipped by anyone.
    Why would you have to change your outfit to be considered "creative" or knowledgeable about the creative process? I work in the creative field, recently designed an app and logo from the ground up based around 2 words (Think "The Box") and I've worn basically nothing but black shirts and navy blue cargo pants for the past 3 years.

    I think what they're doing is a creative use of glam for branding regardless of why they stick to it (They need no other reason than personally liking it). 1 bit of advice I got in Grad school about networking events was to "Find a hat or something that stands out a bit that you're willing to wear often and always wear it to a networking event. You can change it up a lil but make sure it's close to that main item in appearance. That way even if you don't speak to people they are more likely to remember seeing you then they would be otherwise when they see you at a different event".

    I remember this Pink haired cat because I saw a relic youtube video a looooong time ago where they showed off each relic with the same hair and outfit they have right now. There's a German FF14 youtuber/ streamer who, intentionally or not, brands their cat around having the (IMO ugly) twin buns hair style and the tuber Meoni keeps his cat with long white hair and mostly white dyed clothing. This helps makes their thumbnails recognizable by forming an easy to recognize list of traits around their character.

    The simple fact that you recognize that they have had the same glam for years means that it's been effective branding ... cause 95% of the people I see on the OF are washed outta my memory as I can't possible care to recognize someone's ever changing ava. Same goes for in GAME.

    The only part of the glamour that the least bit unique and “special”, I guess I can say, is the goggles, and they’re an item that was only available in Legacy.

    I’ve also seen people wear that coat before so. If we’re going to go by anecdotes here...I guess mine directly contradicts yours. So which one of us is right here?

    This is why we don’t use anecdotes as solid forms of evidence.
    Re-read before you snark lmao ...

    "it's at least a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glam and I have legit never seen someone else wear that outfit soooo"

    Am I saying I have never seen someone wear that "coat"? Nooo
    Am I saying that ANY item in that is "special/ unique"? Nope
    Am I saying that it's a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glams annnd that I have not seen anyone else wear that combination of glams to form what is called an "outfit (which includes head/ glove/ torso/ leg/ foot glams)"? Bingo!
    Am I saying this is the only person who could possibly wear this? Nope, there's others who can get those shades even if I can't.
    Am I even saying that I like it? Nope, not my cup of joe as it reminds me of really cold weather ... but I can still recognize it as being "unique".


    Why is it that some people in this thread have an obsession with lingerie? Or insinuating that other players who want certain sets unlocked just want to dress their characters provocatively? Like what.
    How am I "obsessed" with lingerie? LMAO, I have eyes is all. I see many people dress in lingerie in game, my feelings about it means nothing an I've never stated how I feel about it anyway. I'm just pointing out that if Viera gear were to be unlocked for every female many (who already run around in lingerie) would just start wearing it instead of the other lingerie glam options.

    You may not think that's a problem, you don't have to think that's a problem. I don't think tons more people defaulting to Viera gear is all that creative (you don't even have to care about people being creative or not if you want freedom to do w/e you want, but for the context of the convo everyone dropping their crafted lingerie glam and using Viera gear as their new lingerie doesn't sound very creative)

    If you don't care about lingerie then cool, w/e, that's just 1 example. I would say the same about people wearing the Elezen top or w/e.

    Like the Far Eastern Beauty’s skirt. By virtue of having more options available, people now have more choices when deciding glamours. They’re able to be more creative.
    More choices does not mean "more creative". You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive. There's studies about this phenomenon ... it's a common practice in art to give yourself strict restrictions cause of how it promotes creative thinking.

    "According to Haught-Tromp, those students who slammed up against constraints tended to think more deeply about options. They were also more motivated. Why do constraints tend to make us more creative? According to Haught-Tromp, they help cut down the number of choices to subsets that we find manageable. This allows us to “explore less familiar paths, to diverge in previously unknown directions.”
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    Last edited by reivaxe; 01-08-2021 at 12:14 PM.

  9. #109
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    As an artist, restriction does not lead to a more creative outcome, just more creative solutions to get TO the outcome. Also...

    You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive.
    What is wrong with allowing users the freedom to create something they like? This is worded as though there's something wrong with it, or that by giving users the freedom to create what they want, that it inherently will lack creativity.

    Also, who cares if half the playerbase suddenly starts glamming the Viera lingerie set? If that's what they want to do let them

    (
    (They need no other reason than personally liking it).
    You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive.
    (They need no other reason than personally liking it).
    )

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    I like loose restrictions like we have now, but I don't think removing all restrictions is the way to go. RSE and JSE are SE for a reason, and that's to give those races/jobs something no one else can wear. Glamour is nice, but we already have plenty of options to make incredible outfits to wear.

    We all know even if they removed all restrictions everyone would still be a pink catgirl in limsa anyway.

    The correct request is to ask for more new glamour, not more of the same via additional R/J/G.
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