Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
Oh no, I read it. But it makes no sense when it’s analyzed. The “immersion” versus “escapism” argument aside, if you truly don’t care about what other people are wearing, then why make statements like this:
Then you didn't analyze it correctly, because you are still insisting and trying to shape your arguments like what any individual player does in this game affects me. As you have here:

This implies that you do care if you’re suddenly questioning your own subscription. Despite your earlier insistence in that same post about how what other people wear doesn’t impact you. You effectively contradicted yourself in the same post. Hence why I responded with why do you truly care that much. If you didn’t care at all, you wouldn’t say things about rethinking your subscription over a male bunny outfit.
I explicitly stated that it is the dev's decision making process that leads me to question if I am to continue my sub. It's not a contradiction if you are interpreting my posts incorrectly, twisting words, or reading something that it isn't even there.

They didn’t want to do it in the beginning; you’re right there. And they did it in the end because of overwhelming feedback from the playerbase because, ultimately, SE is a business that needs to satisfy customer demands. Clearly they saw a high enough demand to reconsider their original decision. Much like they have done with previous decisions in the past: both good and bad. From housing decisions to job performance decisions.
So what's your point? You haven't stated anything here that I haven't already said myself. Do you believe my issue is one of a lack of awareness?

Decision reversal isn’t always a bad thing, but your implication here is that it is. Some decision reversals are, but others are not. You’re allowed to condemn for some, but I don’t think you should imply that all are bad.
How did I imply that they are all bad? Did I say they are all bad? I'm pretty sure I used a specific example of their decision reversal, and I used the bunny attire in particular due to the comment they left for all of us to read. And while I am quite sure they placed that comment for satirical reasons, that doesn't make their implication any less true that it was a cumbersome process they would have liked to have avoided.

Never said that you weren’t entitled to your opinions, however I do appreciate you putting those words in my mouth. Everyone is allowed to express their discontent. What they aren’t entitled to is to shun people with differing views—something that has occurred in both this thread and the other regarding unlocking the hempen outfits. This isn’t to say that you are doing that, before you read too much into that statement as well. I’ve just noticed a trend that the second anyone expresses an opposing opinion, people on the opposite side start accusing the other party of being intolerant and “shutting them down” simply because the two disagree on a point.

If someone is shutting down another’s opposing opinion, that would be when I would draw the line and say that maybe they aren’t entitled to express them here. Because all they want is an echo chamber, not discussion.
Finally a statement we can see somewhat eye to eye on. I am every bit as disappointed about how the majority of "discussions" in these forums are just people speaking and not listening. Not many care to actually try and see where the other person is coming from rather than just point out that they are outright wrong for having the views they have. I can't come on here and say, "I think males wearing dresses are dumb" and have it JUST be my opinion. No, there's something wrong with me, OR what an individual player chooses to wear clearly impacts me to the point that I might want to consider unsubscribing. I mean seriously. That's some BS if I've ever heard it. I have actually never considered leaving the game at all. However, I have considered leaving these discussion forums due to my thoughts about it being an echo chamber occupied with the hivemind. This is also an opinion I am entitled to have. And if my experiences in game were the same as they are here, I probably would leave. Thank goodness this is not the case.

Never said that it didn’t. However, I truly don’t believe that the things being heavily discussed here (glamour options, locking/unlocking them, removing gender locks) are highly detrimental to the game. Certainly not on the level of other decisions that have been made this expansion, like the various homogenization of jobs/roles and destruction of some jobs’ identities entirely. But these are just opinions.
Everything I have stated thus far, has come from what I have observed both here on the OF, and in game throughout the six years I have been playing this game. I know you have been around about the same time as myself. I would be extremely erroneous if I stated and tried to prove that glamour options by themselves are detrimental to the game's playability, but that has never been my intention. My concern always was, and always will be what kind of overall gaming environment have the devs created and nurture.

When I experience some of the game's toxicity, I immediately question the questionable decisions the devs have made and this includes everything from homogenization of jobs as well as their glamour restrictions because I believe every last ounce of it impacts the quality of the playerbase. I bring up that you've been around as long as I have because you have addressed the exact same concerns in the past. Albeit not for glamour per se, but about dev decisions that are questionable that others can see as trivial.

Firstly, that’s not how the lowest common denominator works. Lowest common denominator is, for example, when a job is dumbed down to suit the players that are weakest with regards to playing it; i.e., job simplification/narrowing of the skill gap. Adding more glamour options is not catering to the ‘lowest common denominator’ but fulfilling a request a portion of the playerbase has made. In the case of the male bunny outfit, quite a vocal one and I would assume substantial for the developers to reverse their decision and go about doing it. Honestly, your use of “lowest common denominator” here when describing these “stupid” glamours sounds borderline insulting.
In my statement, I used both the lowest common denominator, AND an agenda. As both are examples of the devs that I feel negatively impacts the game. I didn't say that to specifically point out that those who want more glamour options are the lowest common denominator. There is even a ',' and an 'or' in that statement, clearly separating the clauses. So who putting words in whose mouth again?

And, again, I disagree that adding male dresses has “degraded the quality of the playerbase”
sigh....

My assumptions that you were talking about how all of this affects you is because your previous post was you talking about your own thoughts on continued investment in this game. Hence my response to you. There was absolutely nothing in it to imply that you were talking about how this affects the playerbase as a whole—just how it affects you. Your repeated uses of first-person pronouns is enough proof of that.
Would you like me to speak in the 2nd or 3rd person? Do I have to speak on the behalf of others despite that not being valid? Will that help you comprehend where I'm coming from? Do you want to know why I even I spoke in such a manner? Perhaps you might want to go back and read the posts in response to mine, as well your your own, and the continuous bombardment of "How does this affect you?". And when trying to explain things that hopefully make me seem less selfish, I am somehow being insulting because again, you choose to read and hear what you want. Not what's there.

All that being said, I am done speaking about this with you. I am not saying that to be mean or disrespectful. I just think you and I have to agree to disagree at this point.