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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
    That's not how public forums work.

    If you're trying to gauge a community perspective on a subject, you... can't lock out a subset of said community just because you want to hear what you want to hear. That... defeats the purpose, well, supposed purpose at least.
    Yes it’s a shame though. There are plenty of echo chamber threads, but we start one thread with a view they don’t like and they purposely wreck it rather than let it gain traction.

    I don’t see what they have to fear. If my opinion truly is the minority one, why can’t they let me have the thread and watch it bust?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    I think your someone who doesn’t agree and wants your say, and that’s fine, although this threads purpose was to guage the opposite opinion, there’s plenty of threads for your opinion.
    You can gauge interest while still allowing the opposite view. The fact your opener has any amount of likes shows that, to some extent, people agree.

    Similarly, if you argue your side on the first page of a thread, and that post gets more likes than the OP of it, there can be a reasonable assumption that the counter-point has more interest for it than the original point.

    And, once more, you forget where you are: General Discussion. Anyone can enter any thread and say their piece while it is on-topic. You not wanting them to, isn't going to stop them from doing that. And, counter to what you may believe, just because you started this thread with the intent for only one side to be heard, the topic is "Do you want gear restrictions to remain in place?" and some valid answers to that are any shade of "no." You not wanting to hear that doesn't mean it's not on-topic for the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    You’re trying really hard to bully a 15 year old girl on the internet sweetie.
    This doesn't even work on an ironic level. Do you have an economics degree or not? Do you want me to treat you like an adult or an infant? At least try to remember your own public statements before trying to think up of new and creative ways to tell someone to be quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    Yes it’s a shame though. There are plenty of echo chamber threads, but we start one thread with a view they don’t like and they purposely wreck it rather than let it gain traction.

    I don’t see what they have to fear. If my opinion truly is the minority one, why can’t they let me have the thread and watch it bust?
    A forum thread isn't really a "Us vs. Them" situation, one generally posts a thread with a topic at hand and then the members of that forum discuss the topic at length regardless of what side of the aisle someone is on. OP has a bias, generally, as do the posters and the point from there is to have a discussion that points out pros and cons over time.

    If you feel you're being drowned out and not being backed up, then maybe the assertion of the position in the first post isn't as popular as you believe it to be with the community here? And if you're unwilling to entertain opposing views, and be part of a discussion on the matter, then there was ultimately no reason to post a thread in the first place.
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  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
    If you feel you're being drowned out and not being backed up, then maybe the assertion of the position in the first post isn't as popular as you believe it to be with the community here?.
    Nope, don’t do that. The thread was going fine until it was derailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    Nope, don’t do that. The thread was going fine until it was derailed.
    Don't do what? I already posted my thoughts previously and they were on the subject at hand, but none of those points were contested and this was the tangent chosen by you to hone in on. I'm not going to necessarily ignore your responses until I stop feeling bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammokkx View Post
    You can gauge interest while still allowing the opposite view. The fact your opener has any amount of likes shows that, to some extent, people agree.

    Similarly, if you argue your side on the first page of a thread, and that post gets more likes than the OP of it, there can be a reasonable assumption that the counter-point has more interest for it than the original point.

    And, once more, you forget where you are: General Discussion. Anyone can enter any thread and say their piece while it is on-topic. You not wanting them to, isn't going to stop them from doing that. And, counter to what you may believe, just because you started this thread with the intent for only one side to be heard, the topic is "Do you want gear restrictions to remain in place?" and some valid answers to that are any shade of "no." You not wanting to hear that doesn't mean it's not on-topic for the thread.



    This doesn't even work on an ironic level. Do you have an economics degree or not? Do you want me to treat you like an adult or an infant? At least try to remember your own public statements before trying to think up of new and creative ways to tell someone to be quiet.
    Oh now it's getting good.

    The person calling people freaks, weirdos, and fetishists all over the forums is RPing as a 15 y/o girl on the very same forums?

    /popcorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yencat View Post
    Oh now it's getting good.

    The person calling people freaks, weirdos, and fetishists all over the forums is RPing as a 15 y/o girl on the very same forums?

    /popcorn
    Haha no, if you must know I’m a 15 year old girl who lied about having an economics degree. But that’s not really the point, bullying is bullying. I hold a different opinion to you so I must be silenced. I get it. I’ll move on. But thank you for proving my point, that holding a different opinion to the left gets you bullied, shouted down and run off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    But that’s not really the point, bullying is bullying.
    Ah, yes. The person calling opposing views bullies, weird, twitter liberals and all other kinds of cute pet names is the one getting bullied.

    I don't even have to try to show hypocrisy, you do a plenty good job of laying it bare yourself.

    Age is an explanation. Not a shield or an excuse. Your words and views are still your own, and if you want me to take you seriously, I'm going to take those seriously as well. 15 or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammokkx View Post
    Ah, yes. The person calling opposing views bullies, weird, twitter liberals and all other kinds of cute pet names is the one getting bullied.

    I don't even have to try to show hypocrisy, you do a plenty good job of laying it bare yourself.

    Age is an explanation. Not a shield or an excuse. Your words and views are still your own, and if you want me to take you seriously, I'm going to take those seriously as well. 15 or not.
    You’re a bully sweety. You go out of your way to harass me because I don’t think men should wear dresses in the game and hold some other views I don’t like. You could attempt to change these views but instead it’s easier to call me names and try to embarrass me and run me off the forum. Well done you succeeded. I give you a metal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    Haha no, if you must know I’m a 15 year old girl who lied about having an economics degree. But that’s not really the point, bullying is bullying. I hold a different opinion to you so I must be silenced. I get it. I’ll move on. But thank you for proving my point, that holding a different opinion to the left gets you bullied, shouted down and run off.
    You can't even keep your own stories straight.

    You say in the OP you're not comfortable voicing dissenting opinions but the first time I had any interaction with you at all was you coming into a Viera/Hrothgar thread and saying they should just delete them. Looking at the rest of your posts in the other thread on this subject you're perfectly comfortable being abrasive and rude to strangers but can't handle any push-back. So you complain about echo-chambers and start your own echo-chamber here.

    You're not being bullied or victimized, grow up.
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